> The Enigma of Reason (Hugo Mercier and Dan Sperber, 2017): their argumentative theory holds that reasoning evolved for social rather than individual epistemic purposes, to produce and evaluate arguments in group contexts. Yes! I love that someone wrote this down! This seems so obvious to me now. I often ask LLMs to cite their sources (they do hallucinate from time to time), and they often give me sources that don't…
Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone
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#22I don't think the out loud or someone listening / reacting matters at all here. Suspect it's entirely this: >The thought that was comfortable as a vague impression has to become a sentence, and sentences have structure. It's not unlike what people like PG say about writing improving thinking...it's the being forced to go from fuzzy directional notions to something you can put on paper in that will stand up to critiqu…
1. Sometimes you have a vague sense of the shape of the solution, and ime it can be helpful to sit with it for a while before trying to shape it into words.
2. Talking out loud forces structure but it also rate-limits how quickly you can iterate through ideas to find one that plausibly solves the problem at hand
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#23In 2017 LLMs weren't powerful enough to generate working code on their own, but my goal was to at least create a chatbot that could help you rubber-duck-debug your way to a solution. Unfortunately the tech wasn't quite strong enough for that, and not enough engineers even knew what rubber-duck-debugging was. RIP Duckly. Trying to train an LLM on two 1080ti's on the StackOverflow corpus in my living room was a vibe th…
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#24Communicating ideas helps, but thinking out loud may not work better to some people. Thinking silently fits Asian Americans better than Euro Americans*. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-murder-and-the-m...
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#26Maybe they studied the same subject but at a different school, or maybe they specialize in something else entirely.
Maybe their first language is different from yours, since language idioms can affect the way we frame problems.
Maybe they want to get into the field you're working on, and your thinking can also be teaching.
For me, this is a big part of the value of a hackerspace/makerspace. The tools are nice, but the intellectual environment is amazing.
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#27I don't think the out loud or someone listening / reacting matters at all here. Suspect it's entirely this: >The thought that was comfortable as a vague impression has to become a sentence, and sentences have structure. It's not unlike what people like PG say about writing improving thinking...it's the being forced to go from fuzzy directional notions to something you can put on paper in that will stand up to critiqu…
I don't think the out loud or someone listening / reacting matters at all here. Suspect it's entirely this:
>The thought that was comfortable as a vague impression has to become a sentence, and sentences have structure.
I often construct full sentences in my head. And have conversations with my mental model of some other person. In full sentencesRe: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone
#28A collection of thoughts on this. Pierces Firstness is exactly what drives this. The move from thinking to semantic conversion is important for investigation/introspection. Arguing with yourself also seems to engage your brains "theory of mind" centers, so different pathways get activated to examine the problem space. The problem with Ai is the fact that it hallucinates and if you're doing anything truly novel in an…
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#30I don't think the out loud or someone listening / reacting matters at all here. Suspect it's entirely this: >The thought that was comfortable as a vague impression has to become a sentence, and sentences have structure. It's not unlike what people like PG say about writing improving thinking...it's the being forced to go from fuzzy directional notions to something you can put on paper in that will stand up to critiqu…
I don't think the out loud or someone listening / reacting matters at all here. Suspect it's entirely this: >The thought that was comfortable as a vague impression has to become a sentence, and sentences have structure. I often construct full sentences in my head. And have conversations with my mental model of some other person. In full sentences