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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by cma »

maxall4 wrote: post #19

> We have reviewed the report and validated that the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models (including OpenAI’s GPT-5.5), and is used every day by the defenders who keep systems safe. We will share more details over the next 24 hours. So much for all of the rhetoric about Mythos supposedly far surpassing GPT 5.5 (edit: in cybersecurity, in particular). Of course, the AISI benchmarks…

They are saying that comparison to other models only about the problems it was jailbroken to complete in the government's example, not all vulnerabilities it could exploit unjailbroken.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by paulmist »

zmmmmm wrote: post #113

Listen - that's the sound of millions of companies and users doubling down on Chinese models. It might be a national security problem for other nations to have access to these models. But it's equally now a national security problem for any other nation to depend on them. Or US tech in general.

Aren't biggest Qwen 3.7 closed? I don't suspect China's policy here would be anything but ruthless.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by lend000 »

We've been hearing about the risks of engineered viruses and homemade superweapons since GPT 3.5, so where are they? We've had abliterated open weights models much stronger than GPT 4 for over a year now.

It's been interesting seeing how OpenAI pops up to counter the threat of AGI being controlled by Google, and then OpenAI and every spinoff company from its employees has become a far larger threat to the public, for different reasons.

As much as it seems like Anthropic's self righteous leadership truly believes in what they're preaching, they've shown themselves to be tied for the worst stewards of this technology. Google actually seems like the best option to me, by far. Anthropic is also the only major lab with no open weights releases.

They'll have burned a lot of goodwill with the community by the time another lab takes the tech lead, which I guarantee will happen.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by ks2048 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #113

Listen - that's the sound of millions of companies and users doubling down on Chinese models. It might be a national security problem for other nations to have access to these models. But it's equally now a national security problem for any other nation to depend on them. Or US tech in general.

Wait until it is illegal to download or use Chinese models (only half-joking).

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by deaux »

gmerc wrote: post #131

Looks like a back door attempt to force KYC (foreign nationals, lol) to prepare for more discrimination in the digital space with a side effect to benefit Peter Thiels ventures and shovel more data into Palantir for use in the upcoming midterm push. See also https://www.404media.co/fcc-wants-to-kill-burner-phones-by-f... Digital yellow star by exclusion from digital life for foreigners. Remember when tech companies w…

KYC angle seems most likely from the US side. If only it was just to benefit Thiel's ventures though, then the issue would be solvable. Unfortunately _everyone_ currently in power, i.e. the whole oligarchy, wants this. Even if Thiel and his companies disappeared tomorrow, they'd keep pushing until they get it through.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by DetroitThrow »

dabinat wrote: post #81

Not allowing it to be used by any foreign national, from any country, even if they are located in the United States or an employee of Anthropic, seems overly broad and harsh. And all because of a seemingly minor potential jailbreak exploit. There’s something that doesn’t quite meet the eye here.

Unfortunately this is how export controls work. We don't let foreign researchers around national security parts of national labs, even if they work there, because it's simply the easiest security measure you can take. It doesn't mean it's a good outcome for researchers or research. It's insurance of US directed funds.
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