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Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by Barbing »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #25
adrian_b wrote: post #19

With Firefox, especially with Firefox on Linux, which always had and still has poor GPU support, I frequently encounter sites that do not work well or they do not work at all. So I must keep a backup browser, which is normally Vivaldi, because typically any site that works in Chrome also works in Vivaldi. Moreover, Vivaldi has a great advantage over both Firefox and Chrome, in it the command to print a Web page usual…

> the second feature that I like in Vivaldi better than in Firefox or Chrome is that it accepts mouse gestures for most commands vivaldi was doing something weird for me, can’t exactly remember what now. seemingly unprompted it would switch tabs or go back in history or something. turns out i’d tried to be clever, set up a mouse gesture and forgotten about it. xD

> set up a mouse gesture and forgotten about it. xD

Classic

To do list: make huge spreadsheet of hotkeys across programs and periodically feed them back to myself as flashcards based on [lack of] usage

KeyCue didn’t seem to cut it but maybe skill issue

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by bityard »

Well, fuck.

One of the main reasons I switched to Vivaldi a few years ago was that it allowed and even advertised a "classic" browser experience. By which I mean: tabs that behaved like tabs, visual separation, not a lot of useless whitespace and corner-radius-maxxed borders everywhere.

Looks like that's all gone now and Vivaldi is just yet another generic "flat design" browser. Time to look for something else...

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by ktm5j »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #158
ktm5j wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I ask why?

For me, it's a privacy concern. Closed source means only one company is fixing vulnerabilities, whereas open source invites security researchers to find and fix issues quicker. Fewer security gaps == less privacy risk.

I've heard that argument before, but has that actually been demonstrated? Ability to look at the code (especially in the age of AI) means that security researchers aren't the only ones who can look for bugs. For example, look at the bugs like copyfail that AI has recently uncovered in the Linux kernel.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by colordrops »

yard2010 wrote: post #64

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, a…

Nope, I don't use closed source browsers. Hell no.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by colordrops »

ktm5j wrote: post #163
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, it's a privacy concern. Closed source means only one company is fixing vulnerabilities, whereas open source invites security researchers to find and fix issues quicker. Fewer security gaps == less privacy risk.

I've heard that argument before, but has that actually been demonstrated? Ability to look at the code (especially in the age of AI) means that security researchers aren't the only ones who can look for bugs. For example, look at the bugs like copyfail that AI has recently uncovered in the Linux kernel.

You are grasping for straws. No one said open source is perfect. But it's just an obvious fact that open source is going to be easier to audit than closed source.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by arikrahman »

_verandaguy wrote: post #136
AegirLeet wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real hegemony is the Blink hegemony. Google (an advertising company) can pretty much unilaterally dictate web standards. A terrible state of affairs for the web. That's the real issue and using another Chrome reskin is never going to fix it.

This is the main reason I stay away from Vivaldi; using Firefox is, for all of Mozilla's borderline comical mismanagement, a protest vote against Blink (and previously, Chromium).

This is why I use Zen. All the benefits of Vivaldi, with the peace of mind supporting a Mozilla stack.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by Saris »

yard2010 wrote: post #64

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, a…

It's closed source and chromium based, it's also really ugly looking IMO. The Android version also doesn't support addons so that's a huge fail. I'll stick with Zen.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by beepbooptheory »

colordrops wrote: post #165
ktm5j wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard that argument before, but has that actually been demonstrated? Ability to look at the code (especially in the age of AI) means that security researchers aren't the only ones who can look for bugs. For example, look at the bugs like copyfail that AI has recently uncovered in the Linux kernel.

You are grasping for straws. No one said open source is perfect. But it's just an obvious fact that open source is going to be easier to audit than closed source.

But isn't that their point? In the age of AI, maybe being "easier to audit" is as much a risk than an assurance? I'm not sure I agree, but it is interesting to mull over. Further, either way, your tone and response is not very charitable, to say the least. From the outside, you are the only one blustering and grasping here. Not everything needs to be so antagonistic maybe?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by encom » 

  >our biggest design overhaul, ever
  >A new look for a new era
Oh god no, just STOP. It's fine the way it is! I dread these headlines from any software project, because it's always worse. Always - and I have to spend time trying restore things back to how it was. Why do software developers do this?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by noisy_boy »

I use Vivaldi because of its Workspaces which have so much better UX than tab groups. I don't need to see my Social or my Tech tab group until I'm switching for it; Firefox shows them all the time - atleast I haven't found a way to hide them and associated tabs until I need them without having to launch a new window. In Vivaldi, they are ready to use immediately upon switching while keeping everything in the same window keeping my taskbar clean. All this while not making my CPU fans run like a jet engine.

I would rather have this experience with Firefox but they are probably more busy focusing on email, vpn and whatever the flavor of the month is.

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