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Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by cdrnsf »

pixel_popping wrote: post #156
unconed wrote: post #147

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It's not that AI can't convince a novice that what comes out is passible. It's that experts in a field generally agree that what comes out is insidiously hollow garbage. This isn't a "semi-religious" belief. It's linear token soup and diffusion bakes running headfirst into actual expertise, second and third order effects, refined skill and taste, and so on. If you actually want to see civilization advance, you cannot…

But you really believe it will stay that way? What do you think models will be 10 years from now? (not only models, we must include processes and tools in it) - developers were thinking this until recently there is some sort of sudden switch where "shit, it's good enough" and then pass this in a 50x loop and suddenly it becomes "shit, it's actually great" which proves it's a matter of time imo before it's not hollow…

If it's generated by a model, I would avoid listening to it. Much like I'd void a visual or video generated by a model.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Sh0000reZ wrote: post #87
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #65

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> Settle down, toddler Please don’t do this.

[flagged]

> You want people to stick to social norms, call it both ways

Oh, I downvoted both of you. But I only flagged you because of the name calling, which is against the guidelines [1]. When I flag I like to give the person on the other side a note, in case they genuinely didn’t know.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by piva00 »

pixel_popping wrote: post #156
unconed wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that AI can't convince a novice that what comes out is passible. It's that experts in a field generally agree that what comes out is insidiously hollow garbage. This isn't a "semi-religious" belief. It's linear token soup and diffusion bakes running headfirst into actual expertise, second and third order effects, refined skill and taste, and so on. If you actually want to see civilization advance, you cannot…

But you really believe it will stay that way? What do you think models will be 10 years from now? (not only models, we must include processes and tools in it) - developers were thinking this until recently there is some sort of sudden switch where "shit, it's good enough" and then pass this in a 50x loop and suddenly it becomes "shit, it's actually great" which proves it's a matter of time imo before it's not hollow…

I still think you are missing entirely the point about music or any art in general.

It doesn't matter how technically innovative, or how much expertise, a model has, while an AI is not a consciousness that can express itself it will be hollow. There's no way around that.

If some form of AI becomes conscious, and can express itself through whatever art form it conjures for that, why would it even use music? Music is human, it's tuned to how our brains work and perceive sounds, I'd be much more interested to discover what art forms another form of consciousness that we can commuicate with can come up on its own.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by archagon »

ilaksh wrote: post #115
teachrdan wrote: post #105

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> But how much would you like to bet that 90% of those students who were booing also used AI to do their homework for them quite often? So your take away would be "the AI stole their education". No, they were dishonest and the AI helped them cheat themselves out of learning. This is like saying a smoker can't criticize the tobacco industry. It's entirely possible to recognize that AI in school is a huge problem while…

Again that is a problem with the group of people and how they use technology rather than the technology itself. I will die on this hill: AI _properly_ integrated into education will be a huge improvement for students because it will enable each student to have personalized instruction and tutoring.

A quarter of the answers Gemini gives me are made up. What would be the purpose of such, uh, “instruction”?

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pixel_popping »

piva00 wrote: post #150
pixel_popping wrote: post #113

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Many countries have a form of UBI, although it's not guaranteed as the meaning of UBI would in a sense, but look at France with their RSA as an example, if you have no incomes/low incomes, you are entitled to it.

RSA is not UBI, UBI literally means Universal Basic Income, it's not for no income/low income people, it's universal. You are conflating the concept of UBI with social welfare, they are different things and it's a bit annoying to see the erosion of the UBI concept into social welfare, I've noticed an uptick of this the past year or so, no idea where it's originating from...

Agreed I butchered it, but what is the concrete difference right now for someone that has no job (so where UBI is relevant) with social welfare and "UBI" if in the end, that person gets a monthly income that is somehow guaranteed?

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by xg15 »

ianm218 wrote: post #73
multiplegeorges wrote: post #45

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When the leading CEOs are saying the next generation will be unemployed due to AI... uh yeah, you're gonna lose them!

Isn't it bad now that Sam Altman and the others are backpedaling on this and going "jobs are going to still exist you just can't imagine them!" because the PR problem was getting so big? [1] Like don't we want people running these companies to be honest to the public rather than misdirection? [1]. https://www.platformer.news/sam-altman-ai-backlash/

From the article:

> This is a good instinct: one of the virtues of democracy is the way that it gives people a feeling of control over their own lives. People who believe that they can rein in AI companies through votes and laws and regulations will be much less likely to turn to violence.

I like how this is entirely put in terms of "feelings" and "beliefs" with the ultimate goal being to keep people from resorting to violence. It doesn't seem to play any role how much control people actually have.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by perarneng »

Governments and companies are so bad at selling AI to the population.The reason is the elephant in the room. Everyone or at least most understand the consequences. You can't sit and be amazed at the speed an AI does tasks and not be able to extrapolate what that would mean for jobs.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by GeoAtreides »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #71
spijdar wrote: post #62

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> comes out of the same mindset that has turned a neat technology into a banal hellscape for consumers and employees I'm going to say up front that I'm not as familiar with this period of history as I should be, but -- would it be totally unfair to say the same of the "Industrial Revolution"? I'm not gonna say they're equivalent by any means, but my understanding is the "Industrial Revolution" was hellish for many pe…

> the mistake is the framing that "the revolution" or "the next big thing" is always a good thing? They are good things. If you were an adult, male aristocrat, yes, your untouched meadows and streams got tainted. If you were a woman you stopped dying in childbirth. If you think of infants as people, they stopped massively dying. The Industrial Revolution was good. But it also required erecting the modern administrati…

How about if you were a working class child, just before they started in a mine or a textile mill? Was it good for them?

Infant deaths decreased for a while (and NOT because of the industrial revolution):

> These patterns are better explained by changes in breastfeeding practices and the prevalence or virulence of particular pathogens than by changes in sanitary conditions or poverty[1]

then rose:

>Mortality at ages 1-4 years demonstrated a more complex pattern, falling between 1750 and 1830 before rising abruptly in the mid-nineteenth century.

[1] Davenport, Romola J. (2021). "Mortality, migration and epidemiological change in English cities, 1600–1870." International Journal of Paleopathology, 34, 37–49. PMC7611108.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by piva00 »

pixel_popping wrote: post #165
piva00 wrote: post #150

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RSA is not UBI, UBI literally means Universal Basic Income, it's not for no income/low income people, it's universal. You are conflating the concept of UBI with social welfare, they are different things and it's a bit annoying to see the erosion of the UBI concept into social welfare, I've noticed an uptick of this the past year or so, no idea where it's originating from...

Agreed I butchered it, but what is the concrete difference right now for someone that has no job (so where UBI is relevant) with social welfare and "UBI" if in the end, that person gets a monthly income that is somehow guaranteed?

The concrete difference is that the society around the person living in a UBI-society will be very different than one where there's only social welfare.
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