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Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by jklinger410 »

andai wrote: post #106
jklinger410 wrote: post #6

If you want people to like AI, show them a future that doesn't leave them in abject poverty.

Cost of goods and services drops by orders of magnitude at every point in the supply chain. That being said we already have relative superabundance and we're more miserable than ever, so it's not clear that more of it will cheer us up.

Unemployment rampant. All production remains in the hands of a few. All power (tokens) remains in the hands of a few. Goods are cheaper but no one can buy them. Path to the upper class now guarded closely by tokens, potential avenues for entrepreneurs diminish rapidly. Own an AI or compute, get someone to give you tokens, or live in poverty.

Distribution of abundance in current time is close to evil, America reducing entitlements and support (not expanding). Rampant waste. No reason to think any of this will change.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by frb »

xg15 wrote: post #94
frb wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO shrugging it off as “superficially plausible text” is the extreme to the other side. We’re past plausible text since GPT-2 and it’s undeniable that the technology is making waves right now and is having an impact. As you can’t judge the impact of the Industrial Revolution by the first steam engines, you can’t dismiss the impact the technology is having right now.

In writing code, yes. But has there been an actual positive impact in other fields?

Medicine?

There was recently an article shared around here that an LLM diagnosed ER patients more accurately than doctors.

Looking beyond LLMs image analysis to detect cancer and other diseases.

Like in coding, AI can and should be a useful tool for the human who decides and is ultimately responsible.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pixel_popping »

whatshisface wrote: post #101
pixel_popping wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many things will change, because many things are currently useless in the world right now, literally most jobs in a way shouldn't even exist. You think a guy behind the mcdo counter should exist? It shouldn't, that just an engineering "mistake" as it can already be solved, the world is just slow to catch-up, but it's not only AI, that's just automation. We banked for decades on jobs that virtually shouldn't exist exc…

Why would they give you a UBI? They would have no reason to do that...

Many countries have a form of UBI, although it's not guaranteed as the meaning of UBI would in a sense, but look at France with their RSA as an example, if you have no incomes/low incomes, you are entitled to it.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by jklinger410 »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #78
richwater wrote: post #9

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That's quite an unsubstantiated leap. The world has gone through plenty of digital transformations and the number of people in poverty has only _shrank_.

Doom is popular right now. People want to feel terrible and pessimistic and their media diets only reinforce this.

To be fair the last 60 years have seen wealth distribution consolidate at the top of this country at rates never seen in human history.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by ilaksh »

teachrdan wrote: post #105
ilaksh wrote: post #95

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> The people who rely on it are not cool. That's the only statement that's true. Admiting to AI use is unfashionable in the western world at this time. But how much would you like to bet that 90% of those students who were booing also used AI to do their homework for them quite often? So your take away would be "the AI stole their education". No, they were dishonest and the AI helped them cheat themselves out of lear…

> But how much would you like to bet that 90% of those students who were booing also used AI to do their homework for them quite often? So your take away would be "the AI stole their education". No, they were dishonest and the AI helped them cheat themselves out of learning. This is like saying a smoker can't criticize the tobacco industry. It's entirely possible to recognize that AI in school is a huge problem while…

Again that is a problem with the group of people and how they use technology rather than the technology itself.

I will die on this hill: AI _properly_ integrated into education will be a huge improvement for students because it will enable each student to have personalized instruction and tutoring.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

whatshisface wrote: post #101
pixel_popping wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many things will change, because many things are currently useless in the world right now, literally most jobs in a way shouldn't even exist. You think a guy behind the mcdo counter should exist? It shouldn't, that just an engineering "mistake" as it can already be solved, the world is just slow to catch-up, but it's not only AI, that's just automation. We banked for decades on jobs that virtually shouldn't exist exc…

Why would they give you a UBI? They would have no reason to do that...

Additionally, certain work feels good. It feels good to accomplish something.

We'll have no UBI and little purpose.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pixel_popping »

xg15 wrote: post #94
frb wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO shrugging it off as “superficially plausible text” is the extreme to the other side. We’re past plausible text since GPT-2 and it’s undeniable that the technology is making waves right now and is having an impact. As you can’t judge the impact of the Industrial Revolution by the first steam engines, you can’t dismiss the impact the technology is having right now.

In writing code, yes. But has there been an actual positive impact in other fields?

support of all kind (including voice), marketing, real-estate, financial... yes, a ton of fields are being very impacted right now but right now doesn't even matter, what matter is what we know it will reach as theory will become practice.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pixel_popping »

cdrnsf wrote: post #104
xg15 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In writing code, yes. But has there been an actual positive impact in other fields?

No. It ruins art, ruins music, ruins communication and on and on. It's cancerous with respect to anything related to art or cultural value.

Why "ruins"? just because it's not made by a human?

AI-made music is frankly pretty good, do you actually listen to it?

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by jklinger410 »

Sh0000reZ wrote: post #64
jklinger410 wrote: post #39

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Why don't you show us how AI will not create abject poverty? How are we not going to be begging whoever controls chip fabs and electrical plants for compute tokens? HOW!? EXPLAIN IT.

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> you all didn't do the political action work to put me on the hook for your healthcare so thoughts and prayers, HNers.

Ah so your answer is AI will cause most people to live in abject poverty. Good talk.

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