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In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by ggm »

storus wrote: post #158
ggm wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats a very specific take on things. Nobody promised negative externalities as I understand it, I believe it was pretty clear the component of government taxation in fuel was going to have to exist somehow in this. Your "possibly increasing over time past the ICE indexation" is very cynical but I would be in the worlds of ad hom if I carried on. I don't think you are here argung in good faith, if thats your basis of…

"promising lower ... negative externalities..." I drop my HN accounts when they reach certain karma threshold so that I am not surfing on my past successes but keep relevant in the present. I think you have the collector approach instead and use it as a weapon.

"use it as a weapon" I do indeed filter inputs which behave like noise, on other attributes which can indicate noise. You took an adversarial and argumentative approach to an otherwise rational discussion. Asserting what I consider unfounded, and unrelated consequences in a thread. I don't expect you to consider this a negative in your own assessment of your own behaviour, I do, and I think an implied lack of introspection on your own behaviour is telling. I also take on board that my behaviour reflects on what I see and respond to, and I understand (perhaps wrongly) that you impute this to a negative outcome. We differ on that, but I admit the possibility I'm wrong and you're right. Do you do me the same charity?

Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by CMay »

verteu wrote: post #127
CMay wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EV's in particular, their EV industry used to make terrible cars that were basically just chewing up and spitting out low quality batteries with no range. Now they are making cars that I actually want to drive. The cars used to be awful, but it's not surprising that they improved. I didn't say anything about the quality of the cars. If the CCP didn't have an iron grip on that country, maybe I would eventually think…

> What were we reacting to with Iraq "The primary rationale for the invasion centered around false claims that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and that Saddam Hussein was supporting al-Qaeda. The 9/11 Commission concluded in 2004 that there was no credible evidence linking Saddam to al-Qaeda, and no WMD stockpiles were found in Iraq."

That's not what we were reacting to, that was the political rationale we used which is not the same thing.

Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

cjs_ac wrote: post #2

> And the presence of lower-cost alternatives can force non-Chinese brands to have to compete, rather than sitting on their laurels and gathering profits from expensive land yachts as the competition’s prices are inflated by tariffs. This is why the UK is getting Honda’s super cool Super-N, and the US isn’t. The Honda Super-N EV will also be released in Australia, New Zealand, and other countries in Southeast Asia th…

Is Honda even bothering with a LHD version of the Suoer-N? As far as I can tell, they never bother with left side versions for Kei cars, and just limit them to right side markets. It’s a pity because I always wanted a Daihatsu Copen.

Well, you also see them in the Russian far east which gets a lot of used cars from Japan.

Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

amelius wrote: post #30

Did anyone think of the national security implications?

Google/Waymo is importing a Chinese EV van into the USA and putting in its own electronics (they would have done that anyways, even if it wasn’t banned).

Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by moepstar »

g8oz wrote: post #121
quibono wrote: post #75

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With most modern ICE cars everything but the transmission and the engine will fail before those two go out. Also: I don't think that's the usual case. Plenty of sub 2k cars that will happily keep driving for years (I've had 3 such cars). ~700 mark is where you start seeing 300k mile "finish-them-off"-type cars.

I heard plenty of horror stories involving modern cars and their transmissions and engines.

That, for one - also: people constantly are overconfident in their ability to judge the status of really anything in a ICE car.

Newsflash: you simply cannot "readout" the status of an engine, transmission, ...

But you can/could/should for a battery.

Now, someone hammer that into peoples brains...

Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by storus »

ggm wrote: post #161
storus wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"promising lower ... negative externalities..." I drop my HN accounts when they reach certain karma threshold so that I am not surfing on my past successes but keep relevant in the present. I think you have the collector approach instead and use it as a weapon.

"use it as a weapon" I do indeed filter inputs which behave like noise, on other attributes which can indicate noise. You took an adversarial and argumentative approach to an otherwise rational discussion. Asserting what I consider unfounded, and unrelated consequences in a thread. I don't expect you to consider this a negative in your own assessment of your own behaviour, I do, and I think an implied lack of introsp…

Obviously; the whole point of discussing on HN is to get exposed to variety of opinions and attitudes regardless of whether I mesh with them well or not; expressing IMO founded concerns about new tech is one of the reasons for commenting.

Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by uni_baconcat »

shimman wrote: post #108
uni_baconcat wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is still banning Teslas from driving near government buildings and leaders' motorcades.

China is smart and recognizes known threats as threats. In the US we give them quasi government positions where they inflicted massive damage causing millions of senseless deaths.

Then why China approved Tesla to be the one and only wholly foreign-owned enterprise in vehicle manufacturing?

Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by dingaling »

amelius wrote: post #30

Did anyone think of the national security implications?

Retrospectively, yes

https://www.forcesnews.com/news/warning-mod-staff-amid-fears...

"Warning stickers banning military workers from discussing sensitive information have been placed inside the Ministry of Defence's electric cars, as fears grow that China could be listening."

Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by CMay »

protocolture wrote: post #129
CMay wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EV's in particular, their EV industry used to make terrible cars that were basically just chewing up and spitting out low quality batteries with no range. Now they are making cars that I actually want to drive. The cars used to be awful, but it's not surprising that they improved. I didn't say anything about the quality of the cars. If the CCP didn't have an iron grip on that country, maybe I would eventually think…

You said logical reasons but all you did was repeat standard anti marxist rhetoric a few times. Nations run on internal logic, like all things. Chinas demonstrated interests dont include me. the USA on the other hand, has a history of being unpredictable and invading without any real intent or purpose. You appeal to history but just compare all the aggressive wars started by the USA vs China since WW2. Tell me who to…

You mean, since the US defended China from Japan? Since the US defended South Korea from North Korea and China? Since we made the decision to allow China into global trade to lift it out of poverty and potentially liberalize its government despite the risk communism posed?

Just because you were told that the US has no intent or purpose behind its actions, doesn't mean it's true. Do you somehow believe that every country has reasons for things, except for the most powerful country in history? If so, that is a very unreasonable belief.

Some people are taught to hate the US, some people are taught to love the US, others are taught to think for themselves.

Marxists were openly interested in global imperialism, it's just that it was psychological imperialism backed by military follow-up.

I would like to see China as neutral-good and look at some Chinese brands as if they were a Sony, LG, Samsung, IKEA, Spotify, TSMC, etc. Unfortunately that is not possible: https://www.csis.org/analysis/new-challenge-communist-corpor...

Vietnam is communist too and they aren't always treating their people the best either, but they haven't been showing a lot of obvious signs of trying to expand physically or ideologically.

> China hasn't even done much more than pay lip service to Marx since Deng anyway. They are just the most stable, reliable capitalist superpower right now.

Reformists have been getting purged. There was a time where we could imagine China giving up on Marxism, but that may be less likely now.

Re: In the UK, EVs are cheaper than petrol cars, thanks to Chinese competition

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Post by Arbortheus »

ab_testing wrote: post #135

Just to give you an idea of what it costs to lease an EV in the UK. I use lingcars often for pricing and it is peanuts compared to the US. https://www.lingscars.com/car-lease-deals/?fuelTypes=electri...

Did lingscars get rid of their crazy website?
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