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The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by cjs_ac »

bsimpson wrote: post #122

I know that Hacker News can be for anything "hackers find interesting," but I really hope it doesn't become yet another political doomland. There are so many other places to go to raise your anxiety - I'd rather this remain a space for things that are positively interesting.

TFA provides insight into what’s going on behind the scenes, and has sparked an interesting discussion. It’s not the nonsense you get on /r/politics, where everyone behaves as though they’re auditioning for the writers’ room on one of those late night chat shows.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by layer8 »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #129

I love this: >According to his sources, Colby’s team picked apart the pope’s January state-of-the-world address line by line and read it as a hostile message aimed directly at the administration. >What enraged them most was Leo’s declaration that “a diplomacy that promotes dialogue and seeks consensus among all parties is being replaced by a diplomacy based on force.” they then proceed to insinuate use of force.

They don’t disagree that they conduct diplomacy based on force. They disagree that they should instead promote dialogue and seek consensus among all parties.

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Post by iso1631 »

nprz wrote: post #110

Catholics now have to decide if they will continue to support the pro-life party even as the Trump administration demands the pope redefine the catechism of the Catholic Church at Trump's whim.

Pro Life party? The one that just killed thousands of people in an unprovoked attack and then threatened millions more but only held off because high gas prices might lose them some support at home?

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by potatototoo99 »

geerlingguy wrote: post #131

Worth noting: the source of this claim is anonymous, and so far the framing of the statement feels a little more radical than maybe what was said in the meeting. Other news publications are trying to get the full story: https://x.com/jdflynn/status/2042076430406672829?s=46&t=u6IW... I wouldn't put anything past the current admin, but I don't know what the US could stand to gain from directly antagonizing the Vatican.

I don't think the current admin knows what the US stands to gain from antagonizing the EU, China, Canada, Mexico, Japan, catholics, atheists, muslims, etc etc etc the list goes on - either.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

orochimaaru wrote: post #156
_doctor_love wrote: post #109

Wow. I knew the current administration was bad but this is something extra. It also shows the short-sightedness of the "scholars" in the administration. Sure, the Avignon Papacy did occur, that's historical fact. It's also a historical fact that the Catholic Church is an actually ancient power broker in the world still and they have been around for much, much longer than the United States. The Church is actually quit…

So but T is unbiased. He threatens the Holy See and the holy khamenei. Just another day.

> So but T is unbiased. He threatens the Holy See and the holy khamenei.

Reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hSEwy8ZORc (Herbert Moon blames the Jewish British Catholic Homosexual elite for the undead plague.)

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

axus wrote: post #65
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get three kinds of adult converts. The first kind of convert wants to marry somebody Catholic. They're joining because they love somebody. The second kind of convert was approached by missionaries that built their community a school or a well or something, and they're grateful that somebody clearly cares about them and their community. The third type of convert, though, joins because they like the structure. They…

The third group ends up joining the Russian Orthodox church.

Only the super-dedicated ones.

I knew a guy in highschool, he was adopted from Russia by a Russian-Jewish family. He was raised Jewish. Somewhere after highschool he got dragged into dark spots of the internet. Him and a close friend of his converted to Eastern Orthodox and began dropping constant Nazi dog whistles. Explicit anti-semitism. Both were in the military, one was an Army Ranger. Their posts were reported to LE but nothing came of it.

I'm confident the Ranger would kill for fun if given the chance, and any evidence of his war crimes would be covered up.

Knew a totally different Orthodox convert. He converted in college, went to school for political science. Sucked on his cross necklace and told my sister she'd be going to hell. She thankfully broke up with him.

The Orthodox church attracts some real cretins in my experience.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by jgalt212 »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #60
jgalt212 wrote: post #25

> Under Secretary of War for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned the Holy See’s then-ambassador to the U.S., Cardinal Christophe Pierre, to the Pentagon. Can the DOD do this? This seems more like the purview of State.

The DoW regularly engages foreign ambassadors on defense matters eg military cooperation, NATO issues, basing, security policy, etc Any exec branch dept can communicate directly with foreign diplomats, and ambassadors are accredited to the USA as a whole, not exclusively to State

> Any exec branch dept can communicate directly with foreign diplomats,

Fair enough, but summoning an ambassador is not a regular form of communication, and well out of the purview of DOD.

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Post by ecshafer »

Tossrock wrote: post #86
ecshafer wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is hilarious. You think middle school students know about the Avignon papacy? They don't even know about the Ford presidency.

I think you are missing the key qualifier with a passing interest in history. I absolutely knew of the avignon papacy in middle school.

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Post by ourmandave »

orochimaaru wrote: post #156
_doctor_love wrote: post #109

Wow. I knew the current administration was bad but this is something extra. It also shows the short-sightedness of the "scholars" in the administration. Sure, the Avignon Papacy did occur, that's historical fact. It's also a historical fact that the Catholic Church is an actually ancient power broker in the world still and they have been around for much, much longer than the United States. The Church is actually quit…

So but T is unbiased. He threatens the Holy See and the holy khamenei. Just another day.

Every day is a new WTF? moment, but that's the point.

They keep pushing and pushing until the unthinkable is the new normal.

POTUS F' bombing on Easter? Sure, why not.

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