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Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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How exactly do drones project power globally?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spiderweb

>> How exactly do drones project power globally?

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spiderweb

"The next country over" != Worldwide

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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post #106

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America isn't getting exports from Iran, until recently they were sanctioned. More of a problem is that the biggest buyer of Iranian oil is China. I don't think that getting out of the war with Iran by starting a war with China would be an improvement.

> America isn't getting exports from Iran Single market. Every barrel China buys from Iran is a barrel it doesn’t scour the global markets for. > getting out of the war with Iran by starting a war with China China isn’t getting into a war with America over the Strait.

> Single market.

Not really, they were getting discounted oil prices previously that they are no longer able to get.

Also, they are a large importer of oil compared to the US, which is an exporter. They have much more to lose from high oil prices than we do.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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post #138

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How is capitalism in the wrong here? Resource warfare is universal trough the history in any society. The check and balances of the US President that can start an offensive war is more a political problem, not "capitalism" problem.

Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dementia after purging anyone who might say 'no'? To the extent it's a money making scheme, well, capitalism gets blamed for all money making schemes even if it's supposed to be a specific subset of them which is useful for the feedback one can get from open markets…

> Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dementia after purging anyone who might say 'no'?

Or because America is filled with demented cultists who think a two thousand year old property dispute is the key to triggering the Apocalypse so they can all be whisked away to paradise.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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post #122

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Correction: Hegseth is a crusader. He is a super zealous religious fanatic who very much wants to destroy as many Muslims as possible. He has a crusades tattoo and openly talks about killing heathens in his WEEKLY SERMON. He might be an idiot alcoholic, but he very much knows what he is doing.

> he very much knows what he is doing Nothing about how this war is going suggests he has any idea what he’s doing as SecWar

I mean he's even not that great at his chosen profession which is a television news media personality, although I am sure he knows what he is apparently trying to do, in that regard.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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post #6

At the heart of this is the fact that America has lost the capability to manufacture anything at scale. High tech interceptors and missiles and aircraft carriers are great, but with China's help these are outnumbered by three (soon to be four) orders of magnitude. It's unclear if we can do much other than threaten sanctions and nukes, with not much in between.

> America has lost the capability to manufacture anything at scale We make plenty of stuff at scale. We just haven’t designed any of military around it since WWII. > unclear if we can do much other than threaten sanctions and nukes We could learn from our allies in Ukraine. Give them capital and manufacturing bases in America.

> We could learn from our allies in Ukraine.

Should have worn a suit.

The US is not an ally of Ukraine, it sees Ukraine as a nuisance that should have rolled over long ago but somehow refuses to and because the US still needs Europe for a bit longer (but maybe not that much longer) they're still playing ball as long as Europe pays (as it should, but that's besides the point).

Allies come to each others aid, the US has all but abandoned Ukraine after Trump came to power and did far less than it could have done early on. Why you would expect Ukraine to be generous after the numerous put downs and actions that were clearly organized to benefit Putin is a mystery to me.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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In the movie Thirteen Days, JFK mentions a book titled March of Folly by Barbara Tuchmann. I bought the book on that tip and it has an interesting chapter on Vietnam. I don't think adding a chapter on this "special operation" would even be worth it as it would just be repetitive.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spiderweb

>> How exactly do drones project power globally? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spiderweb "The next country over" != Worldwide

You could do this anywhere in the world for a very small amount of money.

The implications of the Ukrainian war have changed the balance of power for ever. No airport will ever be safe again.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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post #61

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> America has lost the capability to manufacture anything at scale We make plenty of stuff at scale. We just haven’t designed any of military around it since WWII. > unclear if we can do much other than threaten sanctions and nukes We could learn from our allies in Ukraine. Give them capital and manufacturing bases in America.

> We could learn from our allies in Ukraine. Give them capital and manufacturing bases in America I think the Ukranians are still unimpressed with the withdrawal of US support, especially from the shells which were being manufactured in the US (now moved to Rheinmetall), and the de-sanctioning of Russian oil: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2871wyz9ko

Ukrainians are unimpressed that US no longer supports war to exhaustion. US in unimpressed that Ukraine supported other side in elections

Problem is that US wants to distance itself instead of ending the conflict

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spiderweb

Clandestine power projection. Neat!

Somewhere in the next decade we'll wake up to a large military base, port or airport utterly wrecked by some party spending << $100k.
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