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E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by prox »

iamthejuan wrote: post #153
avallach wrote: post #93

Isn't this actually improving safety by openly admitting how things always were in practice? Any e2e encryption provided by the same entity who fully controls both the blackbox clients, and the server in between, is just a security theatre that they can selectively bypass anytime with very little risk of detection. Not really much better than simple client to server encryption. Truly safe e2e requires open source cli…

This happened to my girlfriend and me twice on Messenger. On two consecutive nights, we heard a male voice with an American accent speaking as if he were talking to someone else, almost like they were conducting some kind of operation. It seemed as though he suddenly realized that we could hear him, after which the voice abruptly disappeared. The following night, it happened again, but this time the voice sounded lik…

You mean like a voicecall on Messenger? That is creepy.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by newsoftheday »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #95
newsoftheday wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I see the word "score", it reminds me of the CCP social scoring system.

Weird... when I see something done by US-Based capitalist and attributed to communists half a world away, it makes me think of the Powell Memo.

That is weird, the US didn't ask the CCP to invent social scoring.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by fsflover »

vova_hn2 wrote: post #159
fsflover wrote: post #155

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Weak hardware can work quite well with optimized and non-bloated software (which doesn't constantly phone home). For example, maps and Youtube work smoothly on Pinephone with SXMo. See also: https://puri.sm/posts/the-danger-of-focusing-on-specs/ .

I hope so, but I just don't understand what exactly causes such massive price difference. Is it because this kind of phones are a very niche product so they can't benefit from the economy of scale? Maybe android phone manufacturers can get better deals from chip manufacturers because they buy chips in large quantities?

Niche product, non-standard components, strict requirements of free drivers with GNU/Linux support: https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by mp05 »

mikepurvis wrote: post #124
ls612 wrote: post #117

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Sure, but I think the point of this thread was (or should be) what can be done in the US to resist this. There's a lot of things the US resists doing because voters who never traveled outside of it can be convinced that what it is as implemented elsewhere is somehow flawed or worse than the status quo. You see this exact pattern with real health care, common sense gun laws, investment in mass transportation, probably…

> Sure, but I think the point of this thread was (or should be) what can be done in the US to resist this.

I read that as "we're not going to sit with the uncomfortable implication that the places being held up as policy exemplars are also the places criminalizing speech."

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by Spooky23 »

hypeatei wrote: post #151
query_demotion wrote: post #144

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>The US is building out the infrastructure for a police state. Take the Utah Data Center ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center ), combine it with the Disposition Matrix ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix ), informally known as a kill list for even US citizens, and it does seem like you're getting a Police State!

A lot of our current privacy and liberty woes were exacerbated by 9/11. Can you imagine a Church Committee in 2026? Me neither. Three letter agencies have way too much power and they've shaped our culture+laws for the worse. Osama Bin Laden has done way more damage to American citizens' lives than he could've ever dreamed of.

By design.

Just like the KGB and Putin's minions, Bin Laden correctly saw fault lines and weaknesses in the US an exploited them. He did what he did with a long-range context in mind. The "three letter agencies" were neutered in the 90s as part of the peace dividend which is why he was successful. The Russians used "active measures" with intelligence in the US 2016 among other times and Bin Laden chose terrorist violence. The Russian misinformation strategy is tried and true and corporate actors now use it successfully as well.

The whole thing sucks. This Iran adventure lays the vulnerability of the US military machine pretty bare. More, escalated conflict is probably in the world's future for decades to come.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by root_axis »

iamthejuan wrote: post #153
avallach wrote: post #93

Isn't this actually improving safety by openly admitting how things always were in practice? Any e2e encryption provided by the same entity who fully controls both the blackbox clients, and the server in between, is just a security theatre that they can selectively bypass anytime with very little risk of detection. Not really much better than simple client to server encryption. Truly safe e2e requires open source cli…

This happened to my girlfriend and me twice on Messenger. On two consecutive nights, we heard a male voice with an American accent speaking as if he were talking to someone else, almost like they were conducting some kind of operation. It seemed as though he suddenly realized that we could hear him, after which the voice abruptly disappeared. The following night, it happened again, but this time the voice sounded lik…

What do you imagine was going on here?

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by iamnothere »

pjc50 wrote: post #72
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #51

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You're on a site with a surprisingly high amount of support among commenters for trading privacy and freedom for convenience and comfort where it aligns with their religion/other biases or desired consumer experiences. I don't know if this the best place to ask for advice.

I'm not sure people realize that HN is already at the most libertarian end, and all the discourse spaces which are much closer to actual power and legislation are much less pro-privacy.

Reddit seems to have drifted back to more libertarian than HN on privacy issues. At least in technical subreddits. Not sure why that is, perhaps there are more users here whose salaries are tied to surveillance.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by mnahkies »

avallach wrote: post #93

Isn't this actually improving safety by openly admitting how things always were in practice? Any e2e encryption provided by the same entity who fully controls both the blackbox clients, and the server in between, is just a security theatre that they can selectively bypass anytime with very little risk of detection. Not really much better than simple client to server encryption. Truly safe e2e requires open source cli…

I don't disagree, but I think there is a distinction between "everything is e2ee, but specific conversations may be MiTM without detection" and "nothing is e2ee and can be retrospectively inspected at will" that goes a little beyond security theatre - makes it more analogous to old fashioned wiretaps in my mind.

Obviously it involves trust that it isn't actually "we say it's e2ee but actually we also MiTM every conversation"

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by salawat »

everdrive wrote: post #109
j_bizzle wrote: post #103

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I’m truly on the fence about all of this. On one hand, I think a lot of the larger issues and divisions we’ve seen in society over the last 20 years are a direct result of our primary means of communication, entertainment and information being one that allows such ease of impersonation. While most of us here understand just how much Internet content is created with influence as a goal, and the posted by accounts with…

In my opinion anonymity is a great red herring. The worst offenders on the internet have verified accounts and are public figures. The problem is algorithmic content, prioritizing for engagement and outrage, and then connecting _everyone_. We had what was effectively anonymity in the 90s, but really had NONE of the crazy society-breaking extremism we see now. Getting rid of anonymity will really do NOTHING to halt th…

This. People don't recognize that a tech company with an algorithmic feed is indistinguishable from a public awareness filter. It allows a couple hundred to 1000's of people to set the Overton window of millions/billions. When we actually didn't go algorithmic and went off more natural filtering (geographic, chronological, scope/impact based), it was a modality that one would be hard pressed to even find a schoolchild that couldn't end up being able to meaningfully navigate the space with due training. This is, of course, exactly why monied individuals foam at owning any of the few consolidated media outlets/tech companies. Societal scale leverage on the machine of public awareness.
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