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Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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SpaceX is rockets, now global satellite internet, ... To credibly harness off-world resources at any scale, there are going to need to be automated refueling depots and many kinds of robotic automation for resource extraction. With the Asteroid Belt looking amazing for quantity and accessibility of resources. That would also completely remove the lid on how many $ trillions of market cap SpaceX could accrue. So I fin…

> With the Asteroid Belt looking amazing for quantity and accessibility of resources. Watch out universe, here we come! What could possibly go wrong, mining asteroids? An awful lot, when we start messing with orbital dynamics in the asteroid belt. But Space X can externalise those risks. It will probably be centuries before disturbed orbits start to threaten Earth... So who cares? Me.

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Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Or the Boring Company which most people have also completely forgotten about.

Because it’s boring.

Not in principle, mind you.

It's just that the company has stalled every major project they started, and, so far, completed a rather shitty an uninspiring one in Vegas that has no reason to exist in the first place (it's subway but with Teslas instead of trains).

Its only purpose is to prevent the money from being spent on viable public transportation projects, and in that sense, it's very interesting that it got so far.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Consumer robotics strikes me as an engineering tar pit so deep it leads to hell. If full self driving is hard due to the long tail of unusual special cases, this is orders of magnitude worse. Take FSD but multiply the number of actuators and degrees of freedom by at least 10, more like 100. Add a third dimension. Add direct physical interaction with complex objects. Add pets and children. Add toys on the floor. Add r…

If a robot can do basic cleaning, laundry, and dishes, that's worth a lot to a lot of people. Dual-professional households have the money, and not having to do this housework could save some marriages.

Nobody has yet demonstrated a stationary robot that can do these things.

They're all legs. The impressive demos are just show, not useful.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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It wasn't the first modern EV?

GM didn't sell EVs for years after releasing the EV1. They didn't get any market advantage from the EV1 because they left the market after, for a long time.

We are in complete agreement here. They wasted their lead.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Tesla also announced they will be discontinuing the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer in cars sold going forward. But this is now a standard (free) feature even in basic vehicles like the Toyota Corolla. Why would they intentionally cripple their vehicles to the point hat they would be inferior to most cars today? Then I learned that Musk's incentive pay has a 10 million full self-dr…

> the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer in cars sold going forward LKA existed well before Tesla HW1 released. Honda had cars on the road in 2003 with LKA systems. That's 11 years before Tesla HW1 was available.

our 2014 jeep cherokee had it too, and i'm not sure if it was available earlier though may have been (in jeep models i mean)

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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post #101

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SpaceX is rockets, now global satellite internet, ... To credibly harness off-world resources at any scale, there are going to need to be automated refueling depots and many kinds of robotic automation for resource extraction. With the Asteroid Belt looking amazing for quantity and accessibility of resources. That would also completely remove the lid on how many $ trillions of market cap SpaceX could accrue. So I fin…

> With the Asteroid Belt looking amazing for quantity and accessibility of resources. Watch out universe, here we come! What could possibly go wrong, mining asteroids? An awful lot, when we start messing with orbital dynamics in the asteroid belt. But Space X can externalise those risks. It will probably be centuries before disturbed orbits start to threaten Earth... So who cares? Me.

I always wonder what resources from asteroid belt do we need on Earth. We have plenty of iron and aluminum for building things. Lithium and rare earths aren't available in asteroids. Gold isn't worth grinding up whole asteroid.

Asteroid resources would be useful for building in space, but that is getting a step ahead.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Tesla also announced they will be discontinuing the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer in cars sold going forward. But this is now a standard (free) feature even in basic vehicles like the Toyota Corolla. Why would they intentionally cripple their vehicles to the point hat they would be inferior to most cars today? Then I learned that Musk's incentive pay has a 10 million full self-dr…

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Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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What would you do with a satellite, if I gifted you one for free? Let's forget orbital mechanics for a while to make this answer more fun. It would follow me around and provide a dedicated, private lifeline of communication anywhere I go, real-time aerial surveillance of my surroundings, and eventually lasers to zap anyone who pisses me off.

Yes, and the reality is that any of those would require a fairly large constellation of satellites. I guess the play is that many large constellations of satellites will be launched.

Not really. That's only the case for LEO sats. Going up higher gets you hemispheric coverage with a single bird.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

#170
Tesla could be a major automaker if they released cars like a normal functional automaker. Elon, for his many faults, was perhaps the best person in the world to get Tesla where it is today, but he is more likely to burn it to the ground than maintain success of the company. If Tesla built a more traditional mid size SUV it would probably sell nearly as well as the Model Y and if they created a new more modern Model S It would probably do well also.

I have my doubts their robots will be anything more than a gimmick for rich people.

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