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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by blibble »

alephnerd wrote: post #160
blibble wrote: post #159

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you'd think a "VC" would be aware of the concept of "past performance is no guarantee of future returns"

I'm also aware that money is thicker than blood which is thicker than water. If forced to choose between collaboration and confrontation, a large portion will end up choosing collaboration. As a Frenchman, I'm sure you are well aware of how in Vichy France, industry collaborated with the authoritarian regime via Comités d'organisation. Humans are selfish and normal people cannot win against oligarchs. What else can w…

> As a Frenchman

whoa, there's no need to be offensive

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by bigbadfeline »

penguin_booze wrote: post #135
jijijijij wrote: post #114

Takes century to bake biggest cake ever. Clown enters stage, applause. Clown throws cake to the ground. Audience waits for joke. Curtain falls. 38 trillion dollar bill for cake. Audience is the joke.

Audience did paid for the ticket ("vote") to the show, though. As always: hire a clown, expect a circus.

The bill was almost the same before the vote. A single vote or a single person decide nothing. The candidates were selected and the vote was driven where it had to be by those with real power over the the two parties, there was no real choice. What you see now would happen regardless of who the public voted for.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by blibble »

jijijijij wrote: post #133
padjo wrote: post #68

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The EU/Mercosur deal looks like it’s going to pass too. This move will only make it more likely. America first will become America alone pretty quickly.

I think this is the biggest indicator of permanent damage. The EU politicians aren't as impulsive and loud as the US, they won't do anything drastic when necessary changes take time to implement. They will buffer this hurt as much as they can, to cut their losses. However, the fact the trade deal now suddenly passed, after 20 years(?) of talk, points to a fundamental shift behind the scenes. Things are clearly in pro…

> The US will never be trusted or even respected again, not any time soon.

not until the US fundamentally changes its political system such that this type of capture can't happen again

which short of a civil war, I can't see happening

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by mindslight »

devsda wrote: post #137
mindslight wrote: post #100

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So edgy, much wow. Try continuing this line of thought instead of stopping at one novel half-thought. Perhaps there is something to the western world order that's worth defending? As an American I will argue against my government's unilateral global adventurism all day long. That certainly doesn't mean that expanding the behavior is progress.

> As an American I will argue against my government's unilateral global adventurism all day long I'm sure there are many Americans who would oppose this adventurism. I'm not sure whether that's because they believe its just a bad strategy to continue the status quo or because its just plainly a wrong way to treat other nations by force. > That certainly doesn't mean that expanding the behavior is progress. I don't me…

> I don't mean it as progress

You ascribed the label "fairest" as if the current state is closer to a desired ideal. This is a standard pattern of fascist propaganda - pointing out the longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the system in support of going backwards to where we didn't even try to live up to something better.

If you'd focused on what you see as the positive path forward, in spite of current events, then I wouldn't have written my comment.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by gitaarik »

lousken wrote: post #9

I am wondering why Trump seems so eager to turn America back into a 19th-century. Slavery next on his agenda?

He's on a race because he knows his time is limited, eventually the Epstein files will be exposed. Time will tell.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by lysace »

alephnerd wrote: post #38
komali2 wrote: post #30

I liked this bit by Doctorow recently https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/ If you're getting tariffs anyway, why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders? Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware for iphones, or Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors.

> why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders... Because that means we in the US may as well quasi-nationalize major European investments in the US like VW, Siemens, Saint-Gobains, OnSemi, NXP, Arm, and Nexperia and target European luxury cultural exports like Cognac (LVHM), Wine (LVMH), designer clothes (LVMH), designer purses (LVMH), and others like China did. As a result, oli…

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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by alephnerd »

lysace wrote: post #166
alephnerd wrote: post #38

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> why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders... Because that means we in the US may as well quasi-nationalize major European investments in the US like VW, Siemens, Saint-Gobains, OnSemi, NXP, Arm, and Nexperia and target European luxury cultural exports like Cognac (LVHM), Wine (LVMH), designer clothes (LVMH), designer purses (LVMH), and others like China did. As a result, oli…

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I don't use LLMs.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by padjo »

xiphias2 wrote: post #148
padjo wrote: post #39

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I don’t buy this at all. Russia is a relatively small economy with a tiny fraction of the EU population. The US is not going to launch a shooting war with Europe. Europe is not going to back down here. This Greenland thing is deeply unpopular in the US. It’s only a conflict because of one senile old man who will be dead soon.

It's not just 1 old man. Most of the wars Trump does is just a logical continuation of the military industrial complex strategy, he just doesn't hide it at all. Venezuela was already a target, Panama was already conquered, and I'm sure Greenland was in plans already.

Venezuela has been an issue for all administrations since Bush. Greenland has never been an issue because there is absolutely no rationale for it. The US can put as many troops there as it likes and is welcome to try to profitably extract minerals from a frozen wasteland. This is just Trump wanting legacy because he’s a narcissist.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by alephnerd »

lysace wrote: post #168
alephnerd wrote: post #167

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I don't use LLMs.

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Ce n'est pas parce que vous choisissez d'ignorer l'américanisation de la politique française qu'elle n'est pas en train de se produire progressivement.

Both the US and France share similar undercurrents.

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