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Orion 1.0

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Re: Orion 1.0

#161
post #61

I love Orion, but it's pretty unusable with 1Password set up - delay on keyboard input is unbearable with the extension enabled and it slows everything down significantly. I just ran a few benchmarks with BrowserBench Speedometer: 1Password extension disabled: 17 1Password extension enabled: 10 (and the test takes much longer) Vivaldi with extension enabled: 25 I really, really want to move back to Orion as my daily…

the whole idea of firefox/chrome extensions in a webkit browser is weird

Re: Orion 1.0

#162
post #46

I like the direction and keep checking in on it, but while Orion remains closed source there's no chance of it ever being more than a curiosity for me.

(I work at Kagi, but do not work on Orion) There's a lot of different reasons that people ask for open sourcing of Orion / software in general; could I ask you to expand a bit more as to which issues being open source would address for you? I can assume of course, but I'd rather listen to you articulate it, even if it's usual reasons.

I would contribute to it if it was FOSS.

Re: Orion 1.0

#163
post #156

Reportedly, current desktop OS marketshare[1] is: - 66% Windows - 18% MacOS - 3% Linux Right now, I can't try out Orion as one of the 66%. [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...

I mean they say in the article that the have started on the windows version and are aiming for late 2026

I know, the prioritization just looks counter-intuitive to me, especially if you make money primarily from subscribers.

Re: Orion 1.0

#164
post #102
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trust with regards to...? Orion doesn't have any telemetry, doesn't force any updates on you, doesn't require any account. You can audit the application's behavior with standard tools to verify that it isn't "phoning home", etc., it doesn't need to be open source to do that, nor would making it open source obviate auditig the final executable anyways. What do you perceive as the risk to "trusting" Orion in this case?…

Also trust that it won't be abandoned like Opera was.

Would you pay for Orion not to be abandoned?

There is Orion+ that can be paid for that keeps development going.

Re: Orion 1.0

#165
post #61

I love Orion, but it's pretty unusable with 1Password set up - delay on keyboard input is unbearable with the extension enabled and it slows everything down significantly. I just ran a few benchmarks with BrowserBench Speedometer: 1Password extension disabled: 17 1Password extension enabled: 10 (and the test takes much longer) Vivaldi with extension enabled: 25 I really, really want to move back to Orion as my daily…

Yeah I just tried this release out and it feels really sluggish with 1Password

Re: Orion 1.0

#166
post #118

This looks neat but the biggest question I have and care about... UBO? Not the limited manifest v3 version or whatever it's referred to as, but the full bore block lists like in FF. Excited to see where this goes!!

It doesn’t support the APIs ublock requires.

Re: Orion 1.0

#167
post #156

Reportedly, current desktop OS marketshare[1] is: - 66% Windows - 18% MacOS - 3% Linux Right now, I can't try out Orion as one of the 66%. [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...

So? Companies are free to choose their markets. For a long time there were a lot of shops that only focused on the Mac.

Sure, but Kagi isn't a Mac shop; their only source of revenue is subscriptions. Majority of their desktop customers must be Windows users too. So, their prioritization just looks strange to me.

Re: Orion 1.0

#168
post #31

I switched to Orion from Safari a few months ago and so far loving it. I tried Orion a couple of years ago but it wasn't as reliable. Now it seems very stable and the kagi search integration is really nice. On a side note - I don't know why Apple still doesn't let you set a custom search engine in Safari even today, so random.

I have Safari on iOS set to use Kagi by default - works fine?

It’s very much a hack, but it’s largely functional.

Re: Orion 1.0

#169
post #77
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Single word answer: trust. Y’all seem like nice people but trust isn’t automatic these days.

Trust with regards to...? Orion doesn't have any telemetry, doesn't force any updates on you, doesn't require any account. You can audit the application's behavior with standard tools to verify that it isn't "phoning home", etc., it doesn't need to be open source to do that, nor would making it open source obviate auditig the final executable anyways. What do you perceive as the risk to "trusting" Orion in this case?…

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