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Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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I have been hearing the same for the last 20 years, if not longer, and yet the consumer computer remains strong.

Absolutely no one said consumer computing was going away in 2005. What were they supposed to be replaced with?

What are they going to be replaced with now? You still can't do anything actually useful on a mobile device. You need an actual computer to get anything done besides dicking around playing games or scrolling through apps.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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No, consumers are not tech debt to Microsoft. Yes, Microsoft is shifting away from consumer technology. The difference is Microsoft is squeezing every last drop of profit from consumers on their way out. That’s not debt, that’s an asset. In 25 years Microsoft will be similar to Oracle. Maybe they’ll have investments in some consumer brands, but largely they will be selling to enterprises and governments.

> The difference is Microsoft is squeezing every last drop of profit from consumers on their way out. That’s not debt, that’s an asset

The term is 'cash cow'. Something you milk for cash rather than grow or improve

I am going to have to suspend my objection to the HN usage of MBA as a term of abuse because of where I learn the concept......

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Apple is at least in part operating like they are a fashion brand. Functionality and usability are secondary to looks. Both in their devices and their software. It's hard to argue they aren't successful with that. It probably helps that Microsoft has also abandoned usability, just for very different reasons

I think the HN crowd and the public at large have different ideas of usability. The "I want to save the file on my computer that I own" resonates with us. But there are a lot of advantages to a mobile like experience. There's no viruses, you never lose files, apps don't lock up your device, and so on. The problem isn't really the experience being something like devices as a service. It's that the providers are a rent…

_Maybe_ no viruses is accurate most of the time, but certainly this cannot be extended to no malware. Mobile platforms are 90% malware/spyware.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Absolutely no one said consumer computing was going away in 2005. What were they supposed to be replaced with?

What are they going to be replaced with now? You still can't do anything actually useful on a mobile device. You need an actual computer to get anything done besides dicking around playing games or scrolling through apps.

People do “useful” things with mobile devices all of the time with only their phones. Most people don’t define “useful” as running VIM in a terminal and running Docker.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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post #134

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Are you complaining that Apple is releasing computers that are fast, quiet and with a ridiculous long battery life that are well built as “not functional”?

Apple has famously been form over function almost since their inception.

Again which devices? You’re not an alt for Rob Malda are you wondering why anyone would want an iPod because it had less space than a Nomad and no wireless are you?

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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> VSCode (polished, fast, ...) and Explorer (paleolithically slow, In what world is VSCode fast when its startup time is multiples of Explorer (which had in recent news decided to preload itself to mask that issue) and they are the result of exactly the same fundamental shift from native to web native

VSCode starts up the same as any other IDE, and is responsive and snappy when using it. Explorer starts up about 100 times slower than any other file explorer, and is exceptionally while using it too.

Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE", vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome, not its ide features , and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, though I won't make up 10000 times, it's only around 10

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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post #49

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> VSCode (polished, fast, ...) and Explorer (paleolithically slow, In what world is VSCode fast when its startup time is multiples of Explorer (which had in recent news decided to preload itself to mask that issue) and they are the result of exactly the same fundamental shift from native to web native

The competition is IntelliJ, which can be slow as molasses.

Visual Studio is the competition to IntelliJ

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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post #134

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Apple has famously been form over function almost since their inception.

This is true, with the caveat that their function is also best in class. And I mean yeah, they make gorgeous devices, but even if they were ugly id still choose them because they also work better than any alternatives.

I use an (at this point older) MacBook pro myself (M1) and honestly believe it is a great product. I am a lot happier with it then if I bought an equivalent windows device.

However, its definitely true that Apple prioritizes looks is function.

We're just currently in a generation where it ceased to matter for the most part, because Apple Silicon has made the previous tradeoffs basically meaningless. But that's not because Apple started to prioritize function, technology has just gotten good enough for their design philosophy to no longer hamper it significantly

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