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Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by razodactyl »

andai wrote: post #98
999900000999 wrote: post #94

I really would prefer them to start creating customized models. I've vibe coded Godot games extensively. Just about every model I've tried likes to invent imaginary functions. I was really prefer for there to be a way for me to pick model trained in whatever framework I need. Reviewing AI generated code feels like editing a long book, and every now and then you notice some words are just completely made up. You then…

I had this problem 2 years ago. All the models were telling me use libraries that hadn't been invented yet. That was annoying back then, but these days that's not so much of a problem. You can write your program and then simply have it invent the library as well, while it's at it! ;)

These days not so much of a problem because the libraries now exist? Haha

Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by atonse »

I just tried this out, and was VERY impressed with the speed of the plan mode. I was also totally fine with the code it wrote.

Then I made the mistake of saying "run npm run build and fix all issues" (something I've run probably 50 times across codex and cc in the past 2 months). CC does it pretty much 100% of the time. I walked away from Codex, and when I came back, it had installed 2 new node packages, and gone down some crazy rabbit hole with eslint and something else. (this was for 2 minor typescript errors)

After I reverted all its changes, had CC do it and it fixed it in about 30-60 seconds.

I'll try a few more times. Let's see.

Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by tarsinge »

joshstrange wrote: post #87
atonse wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree 1,000%. I just won’t even waste my time with the google stuff cuz I can’t figure out how to pay with it. And that’s a problem everywhere at google. Our google play account is suspended cuz I can’t verify the company. It won’t let me cuz it says I’m not the owner. I’ve always been the owner of my company. For 18 years. There is no one else. Once some error said make sure the owner email matches your profile in g…

The "Owner" accounts in Google Play and Apple's App Store are so freaking annoying. The only time they make sense is for solo-founders and even then I've had issues. Now expand it to working at a larger company and it's a joke, a bad one. Oh sure, I'll just get the CEO (or other higher-up) to login and accept new agreements, that will be easy. Even more fun when you tell a client (who logged in exactly 1 time to set…

I don’t have experience in big tech but in the few SaaS companies I’ve seen the issue is UX designers and Product managers overwhelmingly have a B2C culture.

Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by buu700 »

tekacs wrote: post #156
johnfn wrote: post #56

I've been using a lot of Claude and Codex recently. One huge difference I notice between Codex and Claude code is that, while Claude basically disregards your instructions (CLAUDE.md) entirely, Codex is extremely, painfully, doggedly persistent in following every last character of them - to the point that i've seen it work for 30 minutes to convolute some solution that was only convoluted because of some sentence I t…

Yeah, Gemini 2.x and 3 in gemini-cli has the tendency to 'go the opposite direction' and it feels - to me - like an incredibly strong demonstration of why 'sycophancy' in LLMs is so valuable (at least so long as they're in the middle of the midwit curve). I'll give Gemini direction, it'll research... start trying to solve it as I've told it to... and then exclaim, "Oh! It turns out that isn't what thought!" and then…

I haven't had that particular experience with Gemini 2.5, but did run into it during one of my first few uses of Gemini 3 yesterday.

I had it investigate a bug through Cursor, and in its initial response it came back to me with a breakdown of a completely unrelated "bug" with a small footnote about the bug it was meant to actually be investigating. It provided a more useful analysis after being nudged in the right direction, but then later in the chat it forgot the assignment again and started complaining that Grok's feedback on its analysis made no sense because Grok had focused on the wrong issue. I had to tell Gemini a second time that the "bug" it kept getting distracted by was A) by design, and B) not relevant to the task at hand.

Ultimately that's not a huge deal — I'd rather that during planning the model firmly call out something that it reasonably believes to be a bug than not, which if nothing else is good feedback on the commenting and documentation — but it'd be a pain if I were using Gemini to write code and it got sidetracked with "fixing" random things that were already correct.

Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by Auracle »

nico wrote: post #62
atonse wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree 1,000%. I just won’t even waste my time with the google stuff cuz I can’t figure out how to pay with it. And that’s a problem everywhere at google. Our google play account is suspended cuz I can’t verify the company. It won’t let me cuz it says I’m not the owner. I’ve always been the owner of my company. For 18 years. There is no one else. Once some error said make sure the owner email matches your profile in g…

Can relate. My inactive google ads account all of a sudden got banned. No explanation except some generic link to their terms of service. Appealed, got automatic denial, no reason given. Have retried multiple times, same result

Same thing happened to me. Guess who didn’t start spending $100 a month with them again?

Utterly ridiculous.

Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by johnecheck »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #74
Reubend wrote: post #6

OpenAI likes to time their announcements alongside major competitor announcements to suck up some of the hype. (See for instance the announcement of GPT-4o a single day before Google's IO conference) They were probably sitting on this for a while. That makes me think this is a fairly incremental update for Codex.

That’s how the game is played. We should be grateful for all the competition that is driving these improvements, not whinging about the realities of what companies have to do to contest each other’s position.

It's funny, this release comes right after the Gemini 3 release that coincided with day 1 of Microsoft's Ignite conference.

Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by criemen »

Reubend wrote: post #6

OpenAI likes to time their announcements alongside major competitor announcements to suck up some of the hype. (See for instance the announcement of GPT-4o a single day before Google's IO conference) They were probably sitting on this for a while. That makes me think this is a fairly incremental update for Codex.

Anthropic released the Opus 4.1 (basically, a new Opus 4 checkpoint) right around the big GPT-5 release date too, if I remember correctly. At this point, anything goes to stay relevant.

Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by Narciss »

999900000999 wrote: post #94

I really would prefer them to start creating customized models. I've vibe coded Godot games extensively. Just about every model I've tried likes to invent imaginary functions. I was really prefer for there to be a way for me to pick model trained in whatever framework I need. Reviewing AI generated code feels like editing a long book, and every now and then you notice some words are just completely made up. You then…

Context7 might be good for you

Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by SoKamil »

hansonw wrote: post #15

Rest assured that we are better at training models than naming them ;D - New benchmark SOTAs with 77.9% on SWE-Bench-Verified, 79.9% on SWE-Lancer, and 58.1% on TerminalBench 2.0 - Natively trained to work across many hours across multiple context windows via compaction - 30% more token-efficient at the same reasoning level across many tasks Let us know what you think!

> Natively trained

What does it even mean?

Re: Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max

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Post by fakedang »

sunaookami wrote: post #137
johnfn wrote: post #56

I've been using a lot of Claude and Codex recently. One huge difference I notice between Codex and Claude code is that, while Claude basically disregards your instructions (CLAUDE.md) entirely, Codex is extremely, painfully, doggedly persistent in following every last character of them - to the point that i've seen it work for 30 minutes to convolute some solution that was only convoluted because of some sentence I t…

Agreed 100%, that's why I would recommend Codex for e.g. logfile analysis. Had some annoying php warnings in the logs from a WordPress plugin because I've used another plugin in the past (like... over 10 years ago) that wrote invalid metadata for every media file into the database and it didn't annoy me THAT much that I wanted to invest much time into it. So I gave codex the logfile and my WordPress dir and access to…

This is what I've observed too. Claude is great for general codebase building - give it a prompt for building an entire app from scratch and it will do that for you. Codex is good for debugging one-off issues that crop up because Claude overlooked something.
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