This is a tangent: Has anyone noticed that GPT-5.0 at some point started producing much faster, crappier answers, then 5.1 made it slower + better again? (Both in Thinking mode)
Building more with GPT-5.1-Codex-Max
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#52I would love to see all the big players put 1% of the effort they put into model training into making the basic process of paying and signing in suck less. Claude: they barely have a signin system at all. Multiple account support doesn’t exist. The minimum seat count for business is nonsense. The data retention policies are weak. OpenAI: Make ZDR a thing you can use or buy without talking to sales, already. And for t…
Couldn't agree more about the google product offerings. Vertex AI? AI Studio? Maker studio? Gemini? The documentation is fragmented with redundant offerings making it confusing to determine what is what. GCS billing is complicated to figure out vs OpenAI billing or anthropic.
Sad part is Google does offer a ChatML/OpenAI compliant endpoint to do LLM calls and I believe they in an experiment also reduced friction in getting an API key to start making calls right away but discoverability ever remains a challenge with google services.
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#53The new detergent now washes even whiter
Come on folks, this is funny. They also have industrial strength laundromats to go with the detergent.
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#54I rarely used Codex compared to Claude because it was extremely slow in GitHub copilot . Like maybe 2-5X slower than Claude Sonnet. I really wish they just made their models faster than “better”
Have you tried Mistral ? Definitely one of the fastest models
My employer doesn’t offer/allow anything besides the “traditional” offerings on GitHub copilot.
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#55Here we go again....
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#56I've been using a lot of Claude and Codex recently.
One huge difference I notice between Codex and Claude code is that, while Claude basically disregards your instructions (CLAUDE.md) entirely, Codex is extremely, painfully, doggedly persistent in following every last character of them - to the point that i've seen it work for 30 minutes to convolute some solution that was only convoluted because of some sentence I threw in the instructions I had completely forgotten about.
I imagine Codex as the "literal genie" - it'll give you exactly what you asked for. EXACTLY. If you ask Claude to fix a test that accidentally says assert(1 + 1 === 3), it'll say "this is clearly a typo" and just rewrite the test. Codex will rewrite the entire V8 engine to break arithmetic.
Both these tools have their uses, and I don't think one approach is universally better. Because Claude just hacks its way to a solution, it is really fast, so I like using it for iterate web work, where I need to tweak some styles and I need a fast iterative loop. Codex is much worse at that because it takes like 5 minutes to validate everything is correct. Codex is much better for longer, harder tasks that have to be correct -- I can just write some script to verify that what it did work, and let it spin for 30-40 minutes.
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#57I would love to see all the big players put 1% of the effort they put into model training into making the basic process of paying and signing in suck less. Claude: they barely have a signin system at all. Multiple account support doesn’t exist. The minimum seat count for business is nonsense. The data retention policies are weak. OpenAI: Make ZDR a thing you can use or buy without talking to sales, already. And for t…
Adding to this, Google's models can only be used with GCP while OpenAI's models can be used with Azure, Anthropic's models can be used with AWD Bedrock, in addition to their own platforms.
I'd love to see the Gemini models being available by other providers :) or if they just build a simple prepaid wallet like OpenAI and Anthropic.
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#58This is a tangent: Has anyone noticed that GPT-5.0 at some point started producing much faster, crappier answers, then 5.1 made it slower + better again? (Both in Thinking mode)
I did notice that, I thought maybe I’d exceeded my thinking requests
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#59These 2 sentences right next to each other stood out to me: > a new step towards becoming a reliable coding partner > GPT‑5.1-Codex-Max is built for long-running, detailed work Does this not sound contradictory? It’s been the shorter form work that has built what little confidence I have in these as a coding partner - a model that goes off and does work without supervision is not a partner to me.
Absolutely contradictory. The long-running tendency for Codex is why I cannot understand the hype around it: if you bother to watch what it does and read its code the approaches it takes are absolutely horrifying. It would rather rewrite a TLS library from scratch than bother to ask you if the network is available.
these things are actually fixable with prompting. is it easy? no. is it PEBKaC if you don’t do anything to change course as it builds a TLS library? yes, but paperclip maximized! xD
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#60Rest assured that we are better at training models than naming them ;D - New benchmark SOTAs with 77.9% on SWE-Bench-Verified, 79.9% on SWE-Lancer, and 58.1% on TerminalBench 2.0 - Natively trained to work across many hours across multiple context windows via compaction - 30% more token-efficient at the same reasoning level across many tasks Let us know what you think!
Will -minis come for the codex family of models? About two months ago I used 5-mini as a daily driver for a few weeks and quite liked it, it seemed capable enough on small tasks with some hand holding and the speed/price were great as well.
codex-mini was released a couple of weeks ago: https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-5.1-codex-mini