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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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This is missing an important part of the story that makes the Ruby Central side look relatively better, which is that one of the existing maintainers offered to help fill the funding gap in exchange for being allowed to monetize the server logs. https://rubycentral.org/news/rubygems-org-aws-root-access-ev...

How do you monetize the server logs ?

Unclear, but I think it might have been something like, find out (via reverse IP lookups) which big companies depend on which gems, and then use that information to market consulting services to those companies.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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It goes without saying that Ruby Central doesn't think Ruby Central has ever lost any trust to begin with.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but the discussion is about the phrase "hostile entity", not about a loss of trust.

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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

This is missing an important part of the story that makes the Ruby Central side look relatively better, which is that one of the existing maintainers offered to help fill the funding gap in exchange for being allowed to monetize the server logs. https://rubycentral.org/news/rubygems-org-aws-root-access-ev...

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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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this is good and I hope this puts a lot of the drama in the rearview mirror. younger developers coming across Ruby must be like "wtf" about this situation. very peculiar to have these projects so politicised and I say that to the people that "try and keep politics out" (DHH) more than anyone. making your politics known and then being like "but you're not allowed to have an opinion on it" is't cute or clever. it's chi…

He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

he's definitely disingenuous, though. I think the "cancel" situation was cringe but the guy posts nativist musings about London and then acts apolitical. look, I get it. the first large generation of professional developers that came up in the web 2.0 era are getting older now so naturally many are becoming more conservative. but a lot of this comes across as some kind of backlash because these guys aren't "cool" anymore. there'd be a lot less drama in this situation in particular if DHH didn't act like he needs the approval of 26 year olds. they're never going to see eye to eye with him because he's an old man at this point so he should have some tact and be the bigger person if he cares about the dev community he was a part of. very similar situation to Musk who used to be adored around the world and now he's seen as a basket case.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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How do you monetize the server logs ?

Unclear, but I think it might have been something like, find out (via reverse IP lookups) which big companies depend on which gems, and then use that information to market consulting services to those companies.

I guess something sinister is also an option...

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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post #144

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This is missing an important part of the story that makes the Ruby Central side look relatively better, which is that one of the existing maintainers offered to help fill the funding gap in exchange for being allowed to monetize the server logs. https://rubycentral.org/news/rubygems-org-aws-root-access-ev...

Your addition also misses an important part where the only reason he was able to do that was because the servers were forcibly taken from the previous owners for the ostensible purpose of security, but the new regime forgot to change the passwords as part of that. At this point, it's probable that any attempt to just list the pertinent events isn't going to end up being as neutral as one might hope because even the c…

Wait, you think the former maintainer breaking into Ruby Central's AWS account and changing its root password makes the former maintainers look better?

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Or Europeans choose to work for US corporations. What am I missing? I know Europeans who only want to work for American companies.

American salaries are typically wildly higher, both on the low end and on the high end. It's often remote work. There are more jobs and more variety of jobs, on an absolute scale, than any particular locality. There may be more of a job ladder, and less stigma to wanting to climb it. There are some other cultural aspects as well. I would love to see such options become available in Europe (insofar as additional optio…

My comment was unclear. I am American. I think I am familiar with these differences. You seem to agree with me that in light of these aspects, referring then to American company employees as stooges is exaggerated. Regarding Asia of course it's a different topic, and I am unfamiliar with it. Obviously some American companies are bad but I just question the comment I responded to, that's all. And I don't understand "stigma to climbing it." Depending on the country, of course, but I didn't think there was stigma. Europeans compete for prestige like the rest of us. Don't they? Some do, some don't, of course.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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this is good and I hope this puts a lot of the drama in the rearview mirror. younger developers coming across Ruby must be like "wtf" about this situation. very peculiar to have these projects so politicised and I say that to the people that "try and keep politics out" (DHH) more than anyone. making your politics known and then being like "but you're not allowed to have an opinion on it" is't cute or clever. it's chi…

He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

I more or less agree with the "no politics at work" stance

but you've omitted his recent "contributions", where he went completely off the rails

have a read of this https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

it's completely unacceptable, and he's promoting a self proclaimed fascist white nationalist (Tommy Robinson)

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