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Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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This is like saying "The risk of a traffic accident on the way to the hospital is unacceptable so I'll make her walk 12 miles to the hospital." Walking 12 miles is not only uncomfortable, it is also higher risk to Mom and baby than driving. You have to balance all the risks and benefits.

Right. And the benefits for tylenol are small.

And the risks are infinitesimally smaller.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Ok, but please don't fulminate on HN. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

You may not owe people who you feel are disgusting quacks better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Just one slight problem: Tylenol was introduced in 1955. Autism was first scientifically documented in 1926. If Tylenol causes autism, how did those parents in the 1920s get their hands on it? Also, wouldn't there been a clear link between Tylenol sales and the occurrence of autism? Where is the data showing that the adoption of Tylenol in the 1960s resulted in a rise in autism, and that the "rise" of autism in the 1…

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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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There is research correlating autism and mothers taking certain medications (painkillers, antidepressants). Since autism is hereditary, there is a significant chance that these mothers are autistic too. Autistic people have a vastly high risk of depression, and often have unusual pain thresholds, requiring more painkillers. I would not be surprised of the correlation was real, but the direction of action was reversed; after all, it's plausible that autism causes the need for taking more medication.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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My mom gave me one 325 mg aspirin dissolved in a spoon of water and a little sugar as a tot - it was tasty! I took the typical two 325 mg aspirin for headache thru college and grad school. Years later I had a cracked rib and was prescribed 800 mg ibufprofen twice daily. The rib pain vanished for the duration (and my swim times improved significantly)! I became a convert to Advil. Years later I'm older and minimize my…

Isn't it highly recommended to not give Aspirin to young people because of Reye’s syndrome risks?

For flu/fever it’s not recommended. Of course that’s mostly when you would give kids aspirin. Little kids don’t usually get headaches.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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How is following the instructions being “exceptionally careless”? It’s like using bleach to whiten clothes. The bottle says “do not drink”. I don’t drink it, I’m fine. If I misuse it, I’m toast, like with any other myriad household products that can kill you if you use them not as directed.

Follow the instructions for Tylenol. And for a cough syrup. Add in Model or Nyquil. 6 hours go by, you take a second dose of each, and two days later your liver fails. Which product's instructions did you fail to follow?

I didn’t — checked the labels for all medications I take, verified the medicinal ingredients and know not to double up on the acetaminophen.

I actually prefer cough syrups that don’t have acetaminophen precisely for that reason.

Sorry but being unable to follow instructions is a you problem not a me problem. My point stands: fail to follow instructions for potentially lethal everyday chemicals and you will end up dead. It’s not exclusive to Tylenol.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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It is the safest painkiller currently available. Ibuprofen can cause gut bleeding and renal issues if overdosed on. We all know about opiates. Some facts - typical adult dose is 1g. Max suggested cap on the drug label is 3g per day (about 6 pills at usual 500mg dose). You need to take 10g (20 pills) to be at real risk of hepatotoxicity. So 10 times the typical dose is when you have overdose effects. (basically 20 pil…

> We all know about opiates

No, I do not think we do, because it causes none of the side-effects associated with NSAIDs, and it is even safer than acetaminophen, i.e. there is no risk of hepatotoxicity whatsoever. The only side-effect is euphoria. Please do not mention respiratory depression here, that is a non-issue, it matters as so much as liver failure matters with acetaminophen overdoses. Opiates are safer than any painkillers currently in existence, the problem is with impure products (i.e. not from the pharmacy), and people misusing / abusing them. They might as well abuse NSAIDs and acetaminophen, and the result is the same: harm. Taken therapeutically though, it is way safer than any other painkillers.

So I am not sure what your intention was with that sentence, because sadly no, people do not realize the therapeutic safety profile.

Tramadol is a nasty atypical opioid though, you could have singled that one out. It affects almost all receptors (serotonin, dopamine, etc.) there is, and it is one of the nastiest opioids out there, but that is why it is called an "atypical" opioid.

Edit: I missed constipation as a side-effect, see my other comment.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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What’s the alternative? Pregnant people are people too. They can’t take Ibuprofen, or opioids, or even Tylenol now.

Yeah my wife is also pregnant and sometimes it is really tough on her but she doesn't use any medication other than baby aspirin for blood pressure. The alternative is exercise, anti-inflammatory foods, and also realizing that it isn't just your body anymore and you can't hurt somebody else's chances for a very small amount of pain relief.

Being miserable and in pain is also bad for the baby fwiw

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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You shoudln’t even be entertaining this lunacy with any response. Anything coming out of the RFK jr health department is batshit.

He was legitimately put into a position of power by the american political system. And this is an article by the BBC, probably the most respected news source on the planet. Crazy is now the norm, the leading voice. It must be confronted.

what you resist persists

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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What’s the alternative? Pregnant people are people too. They can’t take Ibuprofen, or opioids, or even Tylenol now.

Yeah my wife is also pregnant and sometimes it is really tough on her but she doesn't use any medication other than baby aspirin for blood pressure. The alternative is exercise, anti-inflammatory foods, and also realizing that it isn't just your body anymore and you can't hurt somebody else's chances for a very small amount of pain relief.

> Yeah my wife is also pregnant and sometimes it is really tough on her but she doesn't use any medication other than baby aspirin for blood pressure. The alternative is exercise, anti-inflammatory foods, and also realizing that it isn't just your body anymore and you can't hurt somebody else's chances for a very small amount of pain relief.

It very much is still your wife's body - what other sentient entity is available for consultation?

I also am not sure if she is seeking professional medical advice - 'baby aspirin' is not a blood pressure medication, full stop. If this is based on non-medical doctor advice, please do consult a fully-qualified obstetrician.

Edit, just because this is very worrying to me, for later viewers, aspirin is an NSAID and its use should be weighed similar to that of other NSAIDs in the context of pregnancy. Consider this web page:

https://www.fda.gov/safety/medical-product-safety-informatio...

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