Hmmm, so recently: ̶ ̶H̶y̶u̶n̶d̶a̶i̶ ̶K̶i̶a̶ ̶V̶o̶l̶k̶s̶w̶a̶g̶e̶n̶ ̶ At this rate, I'll be back to Tesla for any future EV purchase. (Noting that Tesla second-hand prices in Europe seem to have taken a dive over the past while, presumably partly thanks to Elon's shenanighans?)
Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move
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Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not so sure, I thought "patch" originated from hole punching cards to program stuff. A software patch was literally a patch of tape that hides an errorneously punched hole in such a card. The term patch-cable seems to be way younger.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patchboard patchboard : a switchboard in which circuits are interconnected by patch cords First Known Use 1934, in the meaning defined above
Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move
#163I'm mentioning this specifically because the CAN bus is involved, which is mandatory to be safety conform and has to be ASIL-C/D conform. If you cannot guarantee that, you will lose the license.
Without conformance to UN Regulation 155/156, the car manufacturer might lose its license for the underlying car platform (not only the downstreamed models), meaning refunding/damages need to be paid for all buyers of cars of that platform.
So chances are this can be fought in court, and Hyundai probably has to offer free replacement of that defective part.
Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not so sure, I thought "patch" originated from hole punching cards to program stuff. A software patch was literally a patch of tape that hides an errorneously punched hole in such a card. The term patch-cable seems to be way younger.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patchboard patchboard : a switchboard in which circuits are interconnected by patch cords First Known Use 1934, in the meaning defined above
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#165I don't get why companies don't understand how offensive it is to the customer to nickel and dime them, especially after they're already a converted customer. They could easily eat the $60 cost and spin it as positive PR, Apple-style. It's particularly bad because customers see it as a defect. No one wants to pay full price for defective equipment. The only thing that would make it worse is if this "hack" were reprod…
There are two aspects. "Charge" and "costs/who pays". When someone can start a Kia with a USB cable, the owner pays for that. Kia may have a fee for replacing something, but that doesn't factor in the calculus of "there's a reason these people are buying our product, and we assess they will continue to do so." Note that Kia offered a maximum of $6,125/$3,375 for totaled/damaged vehicles. The previous formula: "You ta…
Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you seen Telo? https://www.telotrucks.com/
I've seen this before, and I like the design. It's cute yet functional. It would fit in well on European roads. One thing that stands out to me is the front wheels protrude beyond the body. I don't recall ever seeing that on a consumer road vehicle before, at least one designed after the 1930s.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even in McDonalds if what they give you is defective they will replace it without question once you bring it to their attention. If it turned out the door locks on the car were defective you'd expect them to be replaced under warranty. If the warranty had expired the situation would, admittedly, be a bit murkier - but you could still make a case that since the locks had always been faulty they'd be the manufacturer's…
> if what they give you is defective they will replace it without question once you bring it to their attention Go there and request a rare steak or idk steak with kimchi, let is know how it goes! This is a Korean car and probably secure enough in korea where you usually don't lock your bike and/or house. If it not secure if you park it on the street in SF/London/Magadan/Capetown/Kabul are you sure they owe you a fre…
Also, they need to secure it the international markets they're selling it in.
Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patchboard patchboard : a switchboard in which circuits are interconnected by patch cords First Known Use 1934, in the meaning defined above
I find it far more likely that patches--in terms of fixing problems with small, targeted changes--derives from the use of the term for fixing holes in cloth by sewing on another piece of cloth.
Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move
#169I don't get why companies don't understand how offensive it is to the customer to nickel and dime them, especially after they're already a converted customer. They could easily eat the $60 cost and spin it as positive PR, Apple-style. It's particularly bad because customers see it as a defect. No one wants to pay full price for defective equipment. The only thing that would make it worse is if this "hack" were reprod…
There are two aspects. "Charge" and "costs/who pays". When someone can start a Kia with a USB cable, the owner pays for that. Kia may have a fee for replacing something, but that doesn't factor in the calculus of "there's a reason these people are buying our product, and we assess they will continue to do so." Note that Kia offered a maximum of $6,125/$3,375 for totaled/damaged vehicles. The previous formula: "You ta…
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#170I want a dumb EV. No infotainment system. Just speakers and a way to plug my device into them. Anything critical to the car should be completely air gapped and require an absolute minimum amount of software, preferably zero.