Doctored Epstein vid. Inflation data full of estimates. Firing the guy that delivered bad job data. Shutting down monitoring satellites. Releasing modified constitutions. Now this …US really is going all in on detaching from reality
US to rewrite its past national climate reports
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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports
#162Well, that's evil? It's deliberate so it can't be stupid. What else is there to say.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Social media is overwhelming and dominated by the U.S. A lot of people in countries that are making positive steps are losing hope unnecessarily because of this. The U.S. is 25% of the world economy and declining. Growing economies are ripe for growing with more climate friendly policies, not just because of the environmental impact (both from an AGW and local environmental perspective) but because of energy security…
Even absent US involvement, getting China and India away from oil and coal is critical. https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china#what-sources... https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/india#what-sources... China is decreasing the percentage of fossil fuels in its total mix over the last 15 years (while still growing total energy generation). India... less so.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
"All new numbers". Honestly I think this stuff goes very under-reported. The world has become so used to anti-intellectualism that simple ignorance in the highest office(s) is now excusable, and criticising it is implicitly cast as political. Which is a state of affairs that can be weaponised. (Lest people think I am sniping at the USA from the UK, I'd observe that we as a nation were bounced into a monumental decisi…
> Honestly I think this stuff goes very under-reported. It's not under-reported generally, it's that a large portion of the population only watches certain news channels that do not report what's going on. That's why the Epstein case is such a big issue for Trump, because it's been pushed so hard by the news his supporters watch. They don't care about the blatant corruption on a scale never seen because they don't kn…
What I mean is, there is no really deep reporting on what it means in terms of long-form journalism.
And I mean this internationally and apolitically. There is very little serious discussion about what scientific, technological and economic illiteracy means when it is found in positions of power, and why it is that the new orthodoxy is simply to resist correction.
We have these discussions (belatedly) about judges and lawyers, especially in the light of the Post Office scandal in the UK (and in relation to the Lucy Letby trial, where there appears to have been a simple, astonishing agreement between the prosecution and the defence to not use statistics).
But we do not talk enough about how leaders on all sides are content to keep pushing the same uncorrected points, again and again, and it's not disqualifying. Politicians can simply choose not to "recognise" the correction, to use the parliamentary term, and that is sort of where it stops.
I do think the Epstein story is interesting because it is one of those things where perhaps the base understands that someone in office has lied to them, regardless, because the story directly contradicts itself now.
But I think it's survivable. If he doesn't complete this term it won't be the reason given, at any rate; his very obvious cognitive and physical decline will be.
Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports
#165Ironically climate will also rewrite the US and the rest of the world in return. More so that we are losing several important years because the US as a big contributor is now governed by complete climate deniers. Currently having the hottest summer so far, but coolest summer we will see at the same time is something I hoped to never experience.
I’m not sure the US matters as much as other economies. And our emissions peaked around 2005 and continues to decline. We will still continue to reduce emissions in the next few years because old energy sources just are losing economic viability. The US is just choosing to make a huge mistake and not participate in growth markets like clean energy, etc.
Fossil fuels losing economic viability is a small light at the end of the tunnel. But even that may not help if politic is making bad enough laws.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even absent US involvement, getting China and India away from oil and coal is critical. https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china#what-sources... https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/india#what-sources... China is decreasing the percentage of fossil fuels in its total mix over the last 15 years (while still growing total energy generation). India... less so.
Without US involvement we lose a lot of our ability to pressure others to do it.
China at least seems to have come to the conclusion that (a) they need to continue to expand total electrical production for economic reasons, (b) decreasing dependence on external fossil fuel producing countries is preferred, (c) there are cost advantages to generation from renewables, and (d) there's geopolitical mileage with other countries to be seen as ecologically forward.
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#167And scientists who need the actual data will ignore the revised versions and just read the originals with the data they need
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would say we are largely past the second threshold too (that the warming is human caused). The last IPCC report had as the first statement in the summary for policymakers (from WG1 - the physical science group) A.1 It is unequivocal that human influence has warmed the atmosphere, ocean and land. Widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere and biosphere have occurred. The previous report (from…
OP is talking about people who reject climate change. If you know many, youll likely note most do not deny climate change but instead deny that it is man made, which is an easier delusion to maintain.
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#169The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.
I would say we are largely past the second threshold too (that the warming is human caused). The last IPCC report had as the first statement in the summary for policymakers (from WG1 - the physical science group) A.1 It is unequivocal that human influence has warmed the atmosphere, ocean and land. Widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere and biosphere have occurred. The previous report (from…
Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports
#170“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” — George Orwell, 1984
Now testify!
so many quotes in this thread (and thanks for the 90/00 playlist for the day)