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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

ttiurani wrote: post #34

As am environmentalist, I've talked to many people not living in the US who are losing hope on humanity because of this kind of constant stream of news coming out of the US. I understand how it happens, but I'd hope people understood that Trump's USA is not the world. Just like people in general know not to extrapolate what Putin's administration is doing in Russia, they need to be able to do the same for the USA. At…

Social media is overwhelming and dominated by the U.S.

A lot of people in countries that are making positive steps are losing hope unnecessarily because of this.

The U.S. is 25% of the world economy and declining.

Growing economies are ripe for growing with more climate friendly policies, not just because of the environmental impact (both from an AGW and local environmental perspective) but because of energy security and sovereignty perspectives, but also to reduce dependence on the petro-dollar.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by aeroman »

jfengel wrote: post #24

The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.

I would say we are largely past the second threshold too (that the warming is human caused). The last IPCC report had as the first statement in the summary for policymakers (from WG1 - the physical science group)

A.1 It is unequivocal that human influence has warmed the atmosphere, ocean and land. Widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere and biosphere have occurred.

The previous report (from 2013) only said (and much further in)

Human influence on the climate system is clear. This is evident from the increasing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere, positive radiative forcing, observed warming, and understanding of the climate system.

The equivalent statement from AR4 (2007) was

The understanding of anthropogenic warming and cooling influences on climate has improved since the TAR, leading to very high confidence that the global average net effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming, ...

You could argue there is more of a question about what to do about it (e.g. try and mitigate climate change or just pay for the damanges). There is pretty good evidence at this point that mitigating the change through reducing CO2 emissions is a lot cheaper and comes with a host of other benefits (energy security, improved public health), but I can see wherer there might be arguments to have about this.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by KingOfCoders »

simiones wrote: post #37
throwaway4496 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nature has no feelings, there will be no retribution, things will work out just fine, it will just be tough for us, maybe even wiped out, but nature will prevail. life will find a way, look at places where humans get excluded, everything regenerates. It is not a crises of nature, it is a crises of habitat for us as species, and a bunch of other like us.

"Save the planet? The planet's fine - it's us that are fucked." -- George Carlin

Yes, I always found environmental protection kind of funny, nature does not need protection, it will survive until Earth becomes finally uninhabitable [0], it's us that might not make it that long if we don't take enough care.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by gschizas »

tornikeo wrote: post #31

I'm thankful for the US administration to truly give other countries a chance to come forward and something good, and take the center stage. But, as good as that opportunity is, I'm afraid the 3 years this administration has left wouldn't be enough to fully disassemble the US advantage. :)

It seems you might be too optimistic here. I doubt Trumpism will end with Trump.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by exe34 »

ttiurani wrote: post #34

As am environmentalist, I've talked to many people not living in the US who are losing hope on humanity because of this kind of constant stream of news coming out of the US. I understand how it happens, but I'd hope people understood that Trump's USA is not the world. Just like people in general know not to extrapolate what Putin's administration is doing in Russia, they need to be able to do the same for the USA. At…

> Just like people in general know not to extrapolate what Putin's administration is doing in Russia, they need to be able to do the same for the USA.

One is in a box and can't really reach anything else without nukes. The other has his nukes in everybody's backyard, and the entire world economy depends on the world order that has him at the top.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by desperate »

ttiurani wrote: post #34

As am environmentalist, I've talked to many people not living in the US who are losing hope on humanity because of this kind of constant stream of news coming out of the US. I understand how it happens, but I'd hope people understood that Trump's USA is not the world. Just like people in general know not to extrapolate what Putin's administration is doing in Russia, they need to be able to do the same for the USA. At…

I think this is a good video to share to that end https://youtu.be/242pqLSFzh4

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by chongli »

jacquesm wrote: post #22

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." Feynman -- In this case, nature will not just not be fooled, it will extract retribution, unfortunately also on those that weren't fooled in the first place.

Let’s not get carried away with hubris. Nature wrote our genes. Nature made us the way we are.

All this nonsense you see going on is ultimately a result of cognitive biased thinking, especially confirmation bias. The fact that we differ so deeply from these biases was not our decision, it was thrust upon us by nature and it helped us survive in an environment very different from the one we found ourselves in now.

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