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Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by sitzkrieg »

snehk wrote: post #62
neogodless wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Microsoft has telemetry: * Windows is a spyware machine - how can anyone use it? Year of Linux baby! When Apple has telemetry: * It's working as expected. So... to be fair, is there a thorough comparison of the two? How are they the same, and how are they different?

But the things mentioned in the post above yours have nothing to do with telemetry. They're more like core functions to make the system work at all.

take a look at fbs.smoot.apple.com and argue that isnt telemetry?

why does an os need to hit the internet AT ALL to work? osx doesnt of course

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

ZeroTalent wrote: post #156
thesuitonym wrote: post #131

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I don't have a story but Little Snitch is the kind of tool most corporate users don't need, but that many malicious actors love to use. Sort of like running nmap on your computer, yeah there are legitimate reasons to do so, but you will get a call from IT if you try it.

interesting. don't malicious actors use much more advanced tools than little snitch?

In the case of the company I worked for, they worried as much about insider threats, as they did, external ones.

They didn’t like employees, exploring the network.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by ffsm8 »

DrBenCarson wrote: post #155
ffsm8 wrote: post #154

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Oof, I meant to write "a majority share", not the . I still believe that to be true, as you're splitting the advertisement revenue - in my opinion, all app store revenue is related to their advertisement business. From my perspective, only counting the money that went into the advert itself is misleading, as the store itself is what the adverts are shown on. If it was a more general advertisement network I'd agree wi…

No, that is how Apple split them. There is no ad revenue in any segment outside of services. “Belief” is not necessary, this is accounting I’m a shareholder, I read the reports. Apple make 70%+ of their revenue from direct device sales (no one else comes close to them)

I can see where you're coming from, but I still feel like you might be putting too much trust into how apple splits their revenue in documents as they're provided to the public.

I'm not saying that the numbers are false, but apple can ultimately freely choose how to categorize their revenue itself.

From my point of view, their advertising revenue inherently cannot be split from their app store revenue.

It's akin to me saying "I've only spent $50 on groceries yesterday", but omit that the actual cost was $100 because of added fees and taxes.

It's still technically correct, and a bookkeeper will categorize it as such, but it also incredibly misleading.

I hold that opinion because in the apple ecosystem, the customer journey doesn't end with the advertisement. Every successful capture inevitably ends with more revenue via their 30% cut.

And btw, I'm technically a shareholder too - though only in the low thousands (value, not #), so prolly a lot less then you ( • ‿ • )

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by politelemon »

snehk wrote: post #62
neogodless wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Microsoft has telemetry: * Windows is a spyware machine - how can anyone use it? Year of Linux baby! When Apple has telemetry: * It's working as expected. So... to be fair, is there a thorough comparison of the two? How are they the same, and how are they different?

But the things mentioned in the post above yours have nothing to do with telemetry. They're more like core functions to make the system work at all.

No that's incorrect. It is listed in TFA.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by politelemon »

brookst wrote: post #71
neogodless wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Microsoft has telemetry: * Windows is a spyware machine - how can anyone use it? Year of Linux baby! When Apple has telemetry: * It's working as expected. So... to be fair, is there a thorough comparison of the two? How are they the same, and how are they different?

I didn’t see the person you’re replying to ever mention Microsoft. It seems weird to accuse them of hypocrisy?

I read it as a criticism of HN not the GP.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by ffsm8 »

daveguy wrote: post #157
ffsm8 wrote: post #150

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I guess you didn't read the article then, there are entries for telemetry. He even helpfully listed the official use case next to the domain name that was accessed.

Thread post. Not article post. Try to keep up.

You made the claim that apple didn't make any telemetry requests in response to someone pointing out the double standard for Apple.

Yes the person further up in this thread lists features other then telemetry, but that's literally the double standard. It's also did telemetry, just like windows does. Did you unironically think windows phones home only for telemetry, and not for various features too?

Because the article you're commenting on lists telemetry requests.

Your comment makes straight up no sense.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by politelemon »

theoreticalmal wrote: post #160
daveguy wrote: post #101

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Microsoft put ads in their OS menus. Kindof a stretch to "both sides" this one.

Plus, the ads for Apple are like “buy our cloud storage solution” and the ads for MS are like “10 foods to make you SEXY this summer!” I’m not a fan of either, but one is significantly worse than the other

That's a hyperbolic cherry picked comparison from different areas. If you compare the settings and start menu equivalent they are the same.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by DavideNL »

Somewhat related;

This week i configured Keyboard Maestro to turn off Wi-Fi and Bluetooth when my MacBook (M1 Pro) goes to sleep, and re-enable them on wake.

This has had a huge impact on the battery drain while not being used. Even when the lid is closed.

Would recommend.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by const_cast »

st3fan wrote: post #27
roblabla wrote: post #18

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A default linux install is incredibly silent on the network. You might be seeing some mDNS stuff, gnome/firefox may do some requests to detect captive portals, but overall the amount of network traffic is pretty small and manageable. It's important to note that, generally speaking, Linux software does not come with default-enabled telemetry, and for those that do, distros like Debian will routinely patch out phoning…

That is only because there is barely any open source software for Linux that is backed by cloud services. Now install Spotify, VSCode, Steam for Linux and you will see the same kind of chatter with backend services.

VSCode is particularly chatty on Linux. You can use OpenSnitch to block those connections. I believe a lot of it is around extensions and the extensions market place. IMO, that's not the type of thing that requires constant background connections, and I could actually see that being a kind of vulnerability.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by daveguy »

ffsm8 wrote: post #166
daveguy wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thread post. Not article post. Try to keep up.

You made the claim that apple didn't make any telemetry requests in response to someone pointing out the double standard for Apple. Yes the person further up in this thread lists features other then telemetry, but that's literally the double standard. It's also did telemetry, just like windows does. Did you unironically think windows phones home only for telemetry, and not for various features too? Because the articl…

Okay buddy. Enjoy your day.
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