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Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by Apocryphon »

vetinari wrote: post #158
slantyyz wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Is that enough justification for them to sue everyone else in an attempt to lock them out of the market? To be clear, I don't agree with Apple's lawsuit, I think it's a waste of time/money related to one of Steve Job's personal grievances. Keep in mind, however, that Apple is not suing everyone else. They aren't suing over Windows Phones. They didn't sue Palm/HP over WebOS. They also didn't sue RIM over the Playbo…

Apple does not sue Palm/HP or RIM, because they are not threat. They are almost non-players. The only lawsuit Microsoft had against Android vendor was Barnes and Noble. Which was settled out of court (by investing into B&N to shut them up). Other vendors license things like exFAT and ActiveSync. Some vendors (notably Motorola and Sony) do not pay anything to Microsoft.

Apple isn't currently suing HTC, LG, or other manufacturers of Android phones.

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by forgottenpaswrd »

cheald wrote: post #107
comatose_kid wrote: post #98

There are a lot of 'Apple deserves this' type of comments in this thread that I'd like to address. The patent system is probably flawed (IANAL), but companies do need to have a way to defend their innovations. Apple did re-invent the smart phone in 07, and has been the design leader since then. Android has followed in their footsteps - witness the design shift from their pre-iphone roadmap which consisted of blackber…

Apple iterated, but they didn't re-invent the smartphone. See the LG Prada, announced in December 2006. It was the first full-screen capacitive touch phone. Its form factor was strikingly similar to the iPhone, and LG even accused Apple of ripping off the design (though they never followed through in court). What Apple did do was market this newer form factor very successfully, effectively tying the iPhone form facto…

"What Apple did do was market this newer form factor very successfully"

No, what Apple did was to bring its 20 years of experience making OSs to a mobile phone. Most of the iOS libraries are the same that in macOS.

Those are incredible low level-very efficient and smart work tested by millions of people on the real world for years, and very good designed.(Apple have really great designers not only on the outside)

The quality of this thing was(and is, Windows internals are sh*t, I had disassembled both, it always was about shipping fast and rough, fix later attitude) much bigger than anything else in the market at this time.

Google did the same porting Linux to mobile.

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by acqq »

cheald wrote: post #107
comatose_kid wrote: post #98

There are a lot of 'Apple deserves this' type of comments in this thread that I'd like to address. The patent system is probably flawed (IANAL), but companies do need to have a way to defend their innovations. Apple did re-invent the smart phone in 07, and has been the design leader since then. Android has followed in their footsteps - witness the design shift from their pre-iphone roadmap which consisted of blackber…

Apple iterated, but they didn't re-invent the smartphone. See the LG Prada, announced in December 2006. It was the first full-screen capacitive touch phone. Its form factor was strikingly similar to the iPhone, and LG even accused Apple of ripping off the design (though they never followed through in court). What Apple did do was market this newer form factor very successfully, effectively tying the iPhone form facto…

I'm sick of that "LG Prada was there before" meme. The fully functioning iPhone was presented by Jobs on January 7, 2007, and "accidentally" LG announces the same design less than a month before? It's simply impossible that LG didn't actually have to produce something for the coming iPhone and in parallel just made their clone. That's the reason LG remained quiet afterwards.

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by vidarh »

podperson wrote: post #118
gagan2020 wrote: post #76

I think Google is smarter than what looks at the surface. They are indirectly targeting timing of iPhone 5 and Apple's revenue. Good timing Google.

Except that, according to Florian Mueller: "Even if Motorola won an import ban next week, it would not affect the iPhone 4S and the new iPad 4G, nor the widely-anticipated iPhone 5, which is also expected to incorporate a Qualcomm baseband chipset." http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/08/google-opts-for-escalatio...

Mueller is not exactly a reliable source of anything but what the preferred viewpoint of his current corporate clients. Sometimes it coincides with reality, but often it does not (see his coverage of Oracle's case against Google, for instance, and how it kept shifting as he was proven wrong time after time, and consider that Oracle is one of his known clients)

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by biafra »

Apocryphon wrote: post #161
vetinari wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple does not sue Palm/HP or RIM, because they are not threat. They are almost non-players. The only lawsuit Microsoft had against Android vendor was Barnes and Noble. Which was settled out of court (by investing into B&N to shut them up). Other vendors license things like exFAT and ActiveSync. Some vendors (notably Motorola and Sony) do not pay anything to Microsoft.

Apple isn't currently suing HTC, LG, or other manufacturers of Android phones.

What?

They are suing at least Samsung (the most successful Android vendor) all over the world.

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by esolyt »

Apocryphon wrote: post #161
vetinari wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple does not sue Palm/HP or RIM, because they are not threat. They are almost non-players. The only lawsuit Microsoft had against Android vendor was Barnes and Noble. Which was settled out of court (by investing into B&N to shut them up). Other vendors license things like exFAT and ActiveSync. Some vendors (notably Motorola and Sony) do not pay anything to Microsoft.

Apple isn't currently suing HTC, LG, or other manufacturers of Android phones.

Then again, Samsung is a much more significant competitor than all of them.

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by vidarh »

jolohaga wrote: post #102
azylman wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a sense, you're right. Apple offered to license it's tech to Samsung in 2010 for a whopping $40/device - personally, I don't think that a fee that exorbitant counts, but that's personal opinion. I thing Apple knew they were offering an untenable fee and that Samsung would have no choice but to refuse.

Apple doesn't need to support the bottom-feeders. If Samsung can't pay Apple, that means they're not making enough money on their phones. Samsung and all Android phone makers are fighting a losing battle as long as they keep such low profit margins. It's the failure of the licensing of one common OS for all phones. Nothing distinguishes these phones enough to allow one company to raise above the rest. Samsung and the…

Apple doesn't need to support it.

At the same time, patents were created as a mechanism to distort the free market in order to promote progress and innovation, not to be used as a weapon against it.

Apple's profit margins clearly demonstrate that these protections are not necessary for the kind of innovation that drives the mobile market these days.

Society doesn't need to support Apple's destructive war when it is working directly counter to the purpose of the patents used to wage it.

Perhaps it is time to force Apple to actually compete on free market terms.

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by [deleted] »

jemfinch wrote: post #79
barista wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be evil means use your patents as a defense not to sue others. It means amass a big enough trove that others feel that suing you is going to be futile. Evil is attacking the opponent with the new patents you just "bought" not even developed in-house

The reason having a large trove of patents makes it futile for others to sue you is precisely because you can respond to their suits with countersuits of your own.

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Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by fkdjs »

slantyyz wrote: post #145
fkdjs wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, Apple has copied android. iOS'es most fundamental feature, notifications, was ripped off from android.

>> iOS'es most fundamental feature, notifications, was ripped off from android. I won't dispute whether notifications was ripped from Android, but calling Notifications the "most fundamental" feature of iOS is an incredibly huge stretch. If you ask 10 iPhone users what the most fundamental feature of iOS was, you'd probably get 6 or 7 different answers.

It's the centerpiece for interacting with apps. It's key. In fact, I'm betting it contributed to people confusing android with ios, it's that similar and pervasive. Before they were ripped off the biggest complaint about the iphone was it didn't have android-style notifications. There were many different knockoff apps since people disliked ios notifications so much and apple ended up hiring the lead dev from one of them(mobile notifier) So Apple greatly benefited from ripping off android as this allowed them to close an obvious gap.
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