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Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Just some food for thought. The percentage of GDP generated by centrally managed government spending vs. free market participants [1]: - US: 35% - China: 33% - EU avg: 50% The disparity is again similar for interstate integration (in the US) and inter-province integration (in China) vs. inter-country integration (in the EU) being the outlier. Europe needs deeper inter-country integration and more decentralization of…

What's the source?

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Just some food for thought. The percentage of GDP generated by centrally managed government spending vs. free market participants [1]: - US: 35% - China: 33% - EU avg: 50% The disparity is again similar for interstate integration (in the US) and inter-province integration (in China) vs. inter-country integration (in the EU) being the outlier. Europe needs deeper inter-country integration and more decentralization of…

Numbers do lie - it would be nice to have a breakdown of this. Maybe the difference, 16% points, is what affords the European a fair treatment upon illness where half of that is "shareholder value" in the US. Feel free to link the study you used so we don't just have to trust some internet rando.

Just google 'percentage of GDP driven by government spending' for your country of choice.

This is some of the most basic and widely available economic data that exists.

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/exp@FPP/USA/FRA/JPN/...

(edited my original comment to include the source as well)

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Lets see if they put cash where there mouth is they should have been pouring billions of dollars into opensource software instead of paying Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Oracle etc in the first place. Europe countries have been client states of the USA for decades and just do whatever USA wanted first time USA has hurt their own interests so are waking up to the fact.

its really far less cash than you think, if they make a central clearing house for digital ad sales and anoint a EU wide cloud leader, they have two trillion dollar companies in the next few years with little innovation needed. then use the funds and talent from that to build a tech industry, this is exactly what china did.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Just some food for thought. The percentage of GDP generated by centrally managed government spending vs. free market participants [1]: - US: 35% - China: 33% - EU avg: 50% The disparity is again similar for interstate integration (in the US) and inter-province integration (in China) vs. inter-country integration (in the EU) being the outlier. Europe needs deeper inter-country integration and more decentralization of…

What's the source?

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/exp@FPP/USA/FRA/JPN/...

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Would love to see a ditching of not just tech in favor of homegrown options. I admit that I was initially on the globalization bandwagon, but in hindsight it resulted in products being made in countries with the cheapest costs which led to a decrease in quality and the destruction of smaller, more local businesses. Go to a tourist area anywhere in the world and you'll be confronted by the same businesses--Starbucks,…

Making more stuff in the countries with the cheapest costs also means that people in those countries are being lifted out of poverty. China's GDP per capita went from ~350USD in 1990 to 12.500USD in 2023 and similar growth happened for India, Bangladesh and lots of other poorer countries. Globalization brought affordable goods to wealthy nations and better living standards to poorer nations. In addition, closer trade…

I’m all for poorer countries getting a slice of the pie. Long term I’m not convinced it’s beneficial for the whole population of richer countries to continue, but rather only the elites of those countries. The amount income inequality has skyrocketed in recent decades sort of undermines the theoretical benefits economists love to tout.

Nowadays manufacturing does not have to be uncompetitive. Advances in automation balance out wage disparities. They also provide more chances for a country to retain its skilled workers. Unions in developed nations can help the systematic power imbalance between capitalists and workers.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Genuinely curious. Can you elaborate?

I don't think people realize how much of the world runs off of excel, especially the financial world. Excel still "supports" buggy issues from versions in the 1990s as to not break financial models. IBM mainframes do the same thing with COBOL because modernizing core code means having to notify and test all the downstream users that have their own code to deal with the legacy issues in the current stack. I was once e…

I know what you mean, but now you're talking about a very niche market. Finance, which uses Excel or spreadsheets since 90s. You can't replace these, I agree.

But for other uses of Excel, I can say it can be easily exchanged. This is why I used 99.99% percent, but not more nines. The remaining "three nines" are the niches you're talking about.

It's like how we say "Nah, it's a small set of matrices. just 2, 3000x3000, double precision floating point matrices, and a couple of vectors and some multiplication (i.e. in a range of a couple of billions)".

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Called it, again . Data sovereignty is the true trend of the next decade. Not Quantum, not AI, but the new multi-pole world order divesting from Americentric technologies and back into the sort of locally-grown economies that children of the Cold War would be familiar with. Local vendors serving local needs with a focus on regional, not global, scale and service. Us Cassandra types have been screaming for years that…

Dump Office and Teams. Easy to do and a great start to move outside of Windows OS. LibreOffice is perfect, and government officials wont govern better or worst, if their PowerPoint presentations don't have the latest MS fonts....

I would much rather see a viable alternative to Google Docs with at least an attempt at feature parity.

I have yet to see a solution that has a chance at comparison, especially considering performance and features.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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I’m all for open source but suggesting libre office is perfect is a bit too much for me

LibreOffice works for 99.99% of the cases where Microsoft Office is being used. Moreover, NextCloud offers a free "LibreOffice on the web" capability if you prefer. Oh, BTW. Nextcloud is also nice. Very nice. Edit: Looks like Owncloud guys have arrived (just joking, I like them equally).

I got access to a NextCloud instance as part of my Hetzner storage.

Setting up access for my wife was easy. Adding "apps" to my nextcloud instance was easy. Sharing storage, playing with a Kanban board, editing documents, it all just works.

I'm very impressed with nextcloud, I had no idea it was so good!

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