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Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by TuxSH »

sho_hn wrote: post #6

Anyone have a take on how the coding performance (quality and speed) of the 2.0 Pro Experimental compares to o3-mini-high? The 2 million token window sure feels exciting.

Bad (though I haven't tested autocompletion). It's underperforming other models on livebench.ai.

With Copilot Pro and DeepSeek's website, I ran "find logic bugs" on a 1200 LOC file I actually needed code review for:

- DeepSeek R1 found like 7 real bugs out of 10 suggested with the remaining 3 being acceptable false positives due to missing context

- Claude was about the same with fewer remaining bugs; no hallucinations either

- Meanwhile, Gemini had 100% false positive rate, with many hallucinations and unhelpful answers to the prompt

I understand Gemini 2.0 is not a reasoning model, but DeepClaude remains the most effective LLM combo so far.

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Post by jug »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #48
rickette wrote: post #41

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"what model are you using, exact name please" is usually the first prompt I enter when trying out something.

Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking responds with > I am currently running on the Gemini model. Gemini 1.5 Flash responds with > I'm using Gemini 2.0 Flash. I'm not even going to go on a limb here and say that question isn't going to give you an accurate response.

Yeah, they need something in their system prompt to tell their name or else they have absolutely no idea what they are and will hallucinate to 100% based on training data. If you're lucky, the AI just might guess right based on these circumstances.

It's not unusual for AI's to think they're OpenAI/ChatGPT because it's become so popular that it's leaked into the buzz it's trained on.

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Post by falcor84 »

freedomben wrote: post #51
falcor84 wrote: post #49

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Hear, hear! There has to be a better way about it. As I see it, to be productive, AI agents have to be able to talk about politics, because at the end of the day politics are everywhere. So following up on what they do already, they'll have to define a model's political stance (whatever it is), and to have it hold its ground, voicing an opinion or abstaining from voicing an opinion, but continuing the conversation, a…

There aren't many mono-cultures as strong as silicon valley politics. Where this intersects with my beliefs I love it, but where it doesn't it is maddening. I suspect that's how most people feel. But anyway, when one is rarely or never challenged on their beliefs, they become rusty. Do you trust them to do a good job training their own views into the model, let alone training in the views of someone on the opposite s…

I don't know if I trust them as such, but they're doing it anyway, so I'd appreciate it being more explicit.

Also, as long as it's not training the whole model on the fly as with the Tay fiasco, I'd actually be quite interested in an LLM that would debate you and possibly be convinced and change its stance for the rest of that conversation with you. "Strong opinions weakly held" and all.

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

nudpiedo wrote: post #116
gerad wrote: post #104

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You need to pay for Gemini to access it. In my experience, it's not worth it. So much potential in the experience, but the AI isn't good enough. I'm curious about the OpenAI alternative, but am not willing to pay $200/month.

if it would make whole market research on products and companies I would gladly pay for it... but a bit unsure from Europe where it seems to be everything restricted due political boundaries.

I have OpenAI Deep Research access in Europe and it is extremely good. It's also particularly good at niche market research in products and companies.

Happy to give you a demo. If you want to send me a prompt, I can share a link to the resulting output.

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Post by avar »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #145
xnorswap wrote: post #44

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I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

There's nothing wrong with (and in fact much to be said in favor of) a "no politics" rule. When I was growing up it was common advice to not discuss politics/religion in mixed company. At one point I thought that was stupid fuddy-duddy advice, because people are adults and can act reasonably even if they disagree. But as I get older, I realize that I was wrong: people really, really can't control their emotions when…

As an outsider's perspective: This aspect of American culture seems self-reinforcing.

It's not like things can't get heated when people in much of the rest of the world discuss politics.

But if the subject isn't entirely verboten, adults will have some practice in agreeing to disagree, and moving on.

With AI this particular cultural export has gone from a quaint oddity, to something that, as a practical matter, can be really annoying sometimes.

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Post by danenania »

freedomben wrote: post #50
xnorswap wrote: post #44

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I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

I agree it's ridiculous that the mention of a politician triggers the block so feels overly tightened (which is the story of existencer for Gemini), but the alternative is that the model will have the politics of it's creators/trainers. Is that preferable to you? (I suppose that depends on how well your politics align with Silicon Valley)

I think it will still have the politics of its creators even if it’s censored with a superficial “no politics” rule. Politics is adjacent to almost everything, so it’s going to leak through no matter what you talk about.

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Post by glerk »

panarky wrote: post #136
miyuru wrote: post #46

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changes must be rolling out now, I can see 3 Gemini 2.0 models in the dropdown, with blue "new" badges. screenshot: https://beeimg.com/images/g25051981724.png

If you subscribe to Gemini the menu looks like this, with the addition of 2.0 Pro. https://imgur.com/a/xZ7hzag

It doesn't for workspace users. No dropdown appears.
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