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Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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Completely agree! The hard parts seems to be figuring out (1) how to cut red tape for only certain projects and (2) figuring out what red tape to keep. Chesterton's fence and all that.

If you have to cut red tape for certain projects, the tape probably shouldn't exist in the first place. edit: for instance, if you have e.g. an environmental regulation that is so onerous that exemptions must be doled out for something as sensible as train electrification, then you don't have an environmental review regulation, you have a 'build nothing except what the exemptor decrees' regulation. Which is rather an…

As a former Californian, you try saying that and you'll be labeled a crazy person railing against the machine.

Bureaucracies everywhere tend to protect itself, but California's is particularly vicious. There is a reason many of us call the place Commiefornia.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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You do. San Jose’s districts were not up in the most recent election https://www.bart.gov/about/bod/elections

Santa Clara County is not part of the BART District. The extension to downtown San Jose is being funded by VTA as a service-purchase agreement.

Oh wow

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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> /We/ are doing our part. The administration needs to be held accountable. ... By the electorate, who clearly aren't doing their part if things like this keep happening.

Other than going down to the assembly and yelling what do you propose? We could call the representatives, recall the representatives, create a ballot measure, or vote differently next time.

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Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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You do. San Jose’s districts were not up in the most recent election https://www.bart.gov/about/bod/elections

What district do they have? I don't see anyone on this list that seems like they cover the area: https://www.bart.gov/about/bod

Yep, I was wrong. I had assumed SCC joined up to get Berryessa

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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That's good to hear. Especially since the electric trains accelerate so much faster than the Diesel ones did. Have you been next to one at takeoff? They're going about 40MPH before the train has traveled its own length. Probably limited more by standing passengers than power. Most of the energy used accelerating is recovered at the next stop, so the fast acceleration does not consume much energy.

> Most of the energy used accelerating is recovered at the next stop, so the fast acceleration does not consume much energy.

Not "most," but a lot. From the article: > regenerative braking on the new trains is generating and sending back to the electric grid approximately 23% of the energy consumed by the system

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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> With the agency expecting approximately $6 million annually in energy credits from the California Air Resources Board’s Low Carbon Fuel Standard Program the first year of electric service will have lower fuel costs than the previous diesel service Thats the key. Without the subsidy its more expensive and less efficient than carbon based fuel. In the long run we are worse off, because the subsidy can't last forever.

This is because PG&E retail is about 2.5x the national average.

Also, worth noting in the event the conclusions are extrapolated to diesel over the road transportation: train diesel is much less expensive as it's exempt from fuel (state and federal) taxes.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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I dunno... Many trains in London still don't do regenerative braking despite the technology to generate electricity from motion being around for... checks notes... 194 years!

You probably know more about this than me, but it looks like some lines do: https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-informa... Regenerative braking in cars also keeps a lot of brake dust out of the air. A pair of brake pads lasts about as long as the life of an EV.

> You probably know more about this than me, but it looks like some lines do

I'm confused. Your phrasing suggests that you're adding in new and potentially conflicting information, but "many don't" and "some do" mean the same thing.

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It's a chain of command (i.e. BART police report to BART, Campus police report to the school, way less messy than BART or the school having to convince the jurisdiction how to police the area) and prioritization thing. Bespoke police agencies exist to police their niche to an extent that would be unjustifiable if it were coming your normal police department and taking resources away from their other tasks. Transit po…

Except for the last one in your list, the others are quality of life problems. I have no problem if police interfere with either. Even the last one, is at best borderline. If there is a weirdo making machine guns in my neighborhood and I have kids, I sure as hell want police to interfere.

That works in theory, until the police are overrun with things they don't specialize in and don't have the officers to handle the day to day plus illegal arms dealers.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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They do. You're not being realistic. Almost everyone would like to have a choice between getting on a subway for super cheap or driving through traffic. You're saying they would rather have no choice between the two options? Come on Sure, everyone wants an easy commute where the train picks them up in front of their house and drops them off at the office, but they also want their house with yard in Walnut Creek. Or l…

>Sure, everyone wants an easy commute where the train picks them up in front of their house and drops them off at the office, but they also want their house with yard in Walnut Creek. Or lacking that, their single family house in the Sunset. You can have both. Tokyo is twice the size of the bay area. Density isn't the issue. It's incompetence.

I mentioned 3 things -- pick them up and home and office, and have the big suburban house with a yard.
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