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Who died and left the US $7B?

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Re: Who died and left the US $7B?

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post #94

A fascinating reddit post was mentioned here about a month ago - about the mildly famous (if a little macabre) 'Buy, Borrow, Die' cycle used by the obscenely-wealthy to - multi-generationally - avoid tax obligations. https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyBorrowDieExplained/comments/1f26... HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41408772

Can you explain to me what a post about avoiding taxes has to do with a post about not avoiding taxes?

we regularly get comments like this, and people on HN still question the value of a liberal arts education

Re: Who died and left the US $7B?

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post #94

A fascinating reddit post was mentioned here about a month ago - about the mildly famous (if a little macabre) 'Buy, Borrow, Die' cycle used by the obscenely-wealthy to - multi-generationally - avoid tax obligations. https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyBorrowDieExplained/comments/1f26... HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41408772

This is something people love to rage about, yet it's not one with an obvious fix. The counterpoint is that this leaves money invested, which means others invest in other things, and still entails interest payments. It exists in part because you don't want someone who inherited his parents' house and wants to move in to go broke trying to pay taxes, or have to re-mortgage it, with an even stronger case with family farms.

And it exists in part because there are so many legitimate cases for doing it, even as a wealthy person: pretend you're a relatively successful businessman whose company has appreciated to $50mm. In this world, you can't just leave your gains unrealized and borrow against them. So you can

- Try to find somebody to sell to, which is a sketchy move. Of course, as your company continues to appreciate, you will be forced to continue reducing your ownership stake. Over time, this will make keeping a family business in the family largely impossible.

- Try to find money to pay taxes. This means less money for R&D, for expansion, for your employees.

- Just dump the whole business to private equity and move on.

These all suck, and the government generally collects money on assets as they move not assets at rest. I see no way to resolve it that isn't suckier than the status quo and so am left with the conclusion that people who agitate for such changes are more resentful of the rich than they are worried about the justice or lack thereof of tax avoidance.

Re: Who died and left the US $7B?

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post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peak HN. (I feel comfortable saying that considering the link to a pg article and “you are in the wrong forum”) In the face of calling out someone else’s ignorance by saying we are all ignorant then going on to assume the thing you like is wonderful while assuming the thing you hate is terrible. Classic. PG would be proud.

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Wow, at the very top? I'd imagined I would be in the middle at most

Re: Who died and left the US $7B?

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post #163
post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Wow, at the very top? I'd imagined I would be in the middle at most

The link you shared is kind of deranged. I get where it comes from, but if that is basically your world view, a little getting out wouldn't hurt you.

Re: Who died and left the US $7B?

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post #94

A fascinating reddit post was mentioned here about a month ago - about the mildly famous (if a little macabre) 'Buy, Borrow, Die' cycle used by the obscenely-wealthy to - multi-generationally - avoid tax obligations. https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyBorrowDieExplained/comments/1f26... HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41408772

Can you explain to me what a post about avoiding taxes has to do with a post about not avoiding taxes?

Are you joking? How is here is an extreme case of X doesn't relate to an extreme case of -X?

Re: Who died and left the US $7B?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, it was useful explaining what the article was getting at. It was written in such a way to be less than straightforward. Also, explaining the estate-tax and significance was helpful. The title indicating $7b was left to the US is accurate, but disingenuous.

Whether it's useful or not, the moderators have said that machine generated submissions and comments are not welcome on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33945628

That’s fine. Ideally, people keep posting them and they keep getting flagged and I can still see them and thank them haha.

Re: Who died and left the US $7B?

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post #162
post #94

A fascinating reddit post was mentioned here about a month ago - about the mildly famous (if a little macabre) 'Buy, Borrow, Die' cycle used by the obscenely-wealthy to - multi-generationally - avoid tax obligations. https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyBorrowDieExplained/comments/1f26... HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41408772

This is something people love to rage about, yet it's not one with an obvious fix. The counterpoint is that this leaves money invested, which means others invest in other things, and still entails interest payments. It exists in part because you don't want someone who inherited his parents' house and wants to move in to go broke trying to pay taxes, or have to re-mortgage it, with an even stronger case with family fa…

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Re: Who died and left the US $7B?

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Matt Levine touched on this briefly today, and I liked his two cents: >It’s kind of cool? Like you could imagine a hierarchy, in roughly ascending order of wealth: >Too poor to pay taxes. >Rich enough to pay taxes. >Rich enough to not pay taxes. >Rich enough to not even bother with not paying taxes.

In 2021/2022 there were 60 people in the UK who probably fall into that last group. Together their taxes accounted for about 1.4% of the UK tax bill despite being something like 0.002% of the population.

Are you familiar with the concept of noblesse oblige?

Further does this include all taxes or just income taxes which are only a portion of revenues used to make less well off people look like moochers.

For instance, in the US, there’s social security and Medicare taxes -- and payroll tax, the social security and Medicare tax contributed on behalf of employees by employers. Renters also pay their landlords property taxes. Sales taxes, tariffs, etc are all born by end users.

Re: Who died and left the US $7B?

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post #162
post #94

A fascinating reddit post was mentioned here about a month ago - about the mildly famous (if a little macabre) 'Buy, Borrow, Die' cycle used by the obscenely-wealthy to - multi-generationally - avoid tax obligations. https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyBorrowDieExplained/comments/1f26... HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41408772

This is something people love to rage about, yet it's not one with an obvious fix. The counterpoint is that this leaves money invested, which means others invest in other things, and still entails interest payments. It exists in part because you don't want someone who inherited his parents' house and wants to move in to go broke trying to pay taxes, or have to re-mortgage it, with an even stronger case with family fa…

Attach a lien to the property. If it’s a small business, the government’s share of the step up is put against the business. There will still be shenanigans. But it avoids forcing liquidation wile preserving the state’s interest.
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