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How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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"During my Ethnographic labours amongst those wild people I have visited 150 Tribes, containing more than two millions of souls ;" > That's what you call a "very strong dataset"‽ Yes!!!

The book doesn't contain two million points of data. Count the actual number of statistics in the book: I doubt you'll get more than a dozen.

https://breckyunits.com/advice.html

Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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The book doesn't contain two million points of data. Count the actual number of statistics in the book: I doubt you'll get more than a dozen.

https://breckyunits.com/advice.html

That's an unusual use of language. Even by your standards, though, the book fails. The data mentioned in the book, while interesting, doesn't justify the author's claims.

Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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https://breckyunits.com/advice.html

That's an unusual use of language. Even by your standards, though, the book fails. The data mentioned in the book, while interesting, doesn't justify the author's claims.

He had visited 150 tribes and all practiced closed mouths and all had excellent health and great teeth.

Then, he had visited England which did not practice closed mouths and had poor health and poor teeth.

That's strong advice.

Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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That's an unusual use of language. Even by your standards, though, the book fails. The data mentioned in the book, while interesting, doesn't justify the author's claims.

He had visited 150 tribes and all practiced closed mouths and all had excellent health and great teeth. Then, he had visited England which did not practice closed mouths and had poor health and poor teeth. That's strong advice.

He had visited 150 bands, none of whom spoke English (as a primary language) and all had excellent health and great teeth.

Then, he visited England which did speak English (as a primary language) and had poor health and poor teeth.

Frankly, the conclusion is irrefutable.

Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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He had visited 150 tribes and all practiced closed mouths and all had excellent health and great teeth. Then, he had visited England which did not practice closed mouths and had poor health and poor teeth. That's strong advice.

He had visited 150 bands, none of whom spoke English (as a primary language) and all had excellent health and great teeth. Then, he visited England which did speak English (as a primary language) and had poor health and poor teeth. Frankly, the conclusion is irrefutable.

There are no randomized controlled trials showing parachutes work.

A working model of nature >> a large symbolic dataset >> a large personal dataset >> anecdotes.

This is a bit of #1 and #3.

Sure, #2 would be great, but #1 (mouth breathing bad) seems highly likely given both studying anatomy and modeling the physics of breathe and also given his dataset #3.

Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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He had visited 150 bands, none of whom spoke English (as a primary language) and all had excellent health and great teeth. Then, he visited England which did speak English (as a primary language) and had poor health and poor teeth. Frankly, the conclusion is irrefutable.

There are no randomized controlled trials showing parachutes work. A working model of nature >> a large symbolic dataset >> a large personal dataset >> anecdotes. This is a bit of #1 and #3. Sure, #2 would be great, but #1 (mouth breathing bad) seems highly likely given both studying anatomy and modeling the physics of breathe and also given his dataset #3.

None of the evidence in that book supports this claim. (It's a mixture of unrelated anthropological observations, and appeal to nature.)

I agree that mouth breathing is probably bad. I don't agree that it causes spinal deformation or smallpox. I really don't think taping the mouth shut is a safe treatment for sleep apnea.

Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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To be frank: I think what you're saying is true only of the Apple Watch, and Apple is wrong to believe that their priorities are the ones which would resonate most with their customers. Bands from Garmin, Whoop, and others have 24/7/365 sensor collection, with battery life measured in days and weeks. Apple instead prioritizes 3000 nit displays, laptop-class processors, and 60fps touch interactions. These are all char…

> 18 Hour Battery Life Didn't see the slide by my apple watch definitely lasts way longer than 18 hours. But, I also have the screen default to off instead of always on (lets be real, who spends all day staring at their watch; motion activated turning on seems like not even a compromise).

The Series 10 is confirmed for 18 hours, like the Series 9 before it. The Ultra will definitely last longer. The Series 9 can as well, if you turn off features which Apple advertised the Apple Watch as having, and if you do not record a single exercise throughout the day. If you use the watch how it was advertised, it will last ~18 hours, which means if you charge it overnight, wake up at 7am, are awake for 16 hours, it will not survive the night.

Its not helpful, productive, or useful to state that you turn off headline features people paid to have in order to get greater battery life than even Apple advertises the device as having. Please adjust your discourse and do not repeat your behavior.

Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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The gatekeeping in the CPAP field is so insane. 1. Yes, we should regulate manufacturers intensely. 2. No, we shouldn't regulate to whom companies should be allowed to sell them. The defaults are good enough for most. Provide an easy to use control for max pressure and people will figure it out. Perhaps a knob? I claim: During the past decade, the risk of being maltreated by a personally set-up CPAP unit has been far…

I generally agree with this, as a small-L libertarian. However, the results of the Philips Respironics problems killing people and badly damaging lungs would indicate that we need some amount of better tracking and observation of things like this. See this old HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39223982

Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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That should have been done from day 1. Now, however, there are 1000s of doctors who make fat stacks prescribing CPAP machines, and they'll fight tooth and nail to not lose their whole business.

> Changing the ramp-up from 10 minutes to 45 minutes made a big difference for me. What change did you see in your sleep routine?

Not GP, and hoping that GP sees and answers.

I hope there's some insight beyond what I've got, but just from my experience: Sometimes having it blasting at the pressure you need while trying to get drowsy makes that process uncomfortable, but, after you've gained drowsiness it's not going to interrupt you and wake you (unless it starts leaking pressure against your face)

Re: How on-the-wrist sleep apnea detection works

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They still don't have the regular oxygen monitor mode back yet because of a patent dispute. That might be part of it.

That's only in the US, right? (My flimsy understanding is that blood oxygen measurement is how at-home sleep studies work?)

Yeah, you’re right.
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