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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by Thorrez »

whilenot-dev wrote: post #145
ldjb wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about public property here. Many authorities have a 'no tolerance' approach to graffiti. Even if it looks nice, it will be removed. There is a belief that removing graffiti quickly discourages it. If graffiti artists find that their work won't last long, they may be discouraged from doing it in the first place. Aesthetics doesn't really come into it.

> There is a belief that removing graffiti quickly discourages it. It's the other way around, if it isn't quickly removed it will be encouraged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

That's not really the other way around. That's 2 ways of stating basically the same thing.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by ivan_gammel »

thewarpaint wrote: post #23
ivan_gammel wrote: post #8

A startup with wrong product focus would be insolvent in a few months. Deutsche Bahn can rot for decades spending money on technology that would not make any difference when a quarter of its trains is delayed or cancelled.

Care to explain how trains being delayed or canceled is related to a new technology reducing sound pollution?

The prospects of building something new with this tech are very distant. Just to get an approval for construction in Germany it can take years and then there will be traditional delays along the way. We won’t see it in any meaningful quantities before 2030-2040 - whether this project will survive until then is an open question. The acute service problem on the other side could be addressed by simpler means like investment in IT and better internal processes. My last trip was cancelled one hour in advance, despite that they knew it couldn’t happen days before. I had to visit their travel center, because the app couldn’t apply my seat reservation to alternative route, and that experience was awful. It is very hard to understand why some tech that may never see the light due to bureaucratic hurdles deserves investment at the time where service doesn’t show any signs of improvement.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by tetris11 »

jamil7 wrote: post #116
throwaway4good wrote: post #94

This is an international site and I think people don’t understand just how big Deutsche Bahn’s problems with delays are and how incredible dissatisfied its customers are. The situation with DB is really unique compared to its neighbors in any direction. While the tech described probably has merits, anyone who has been near DB lately would instinctively go: why are you doing this when you cannot get the basics right?

It’s also gotten so expensive and unreliable that some people I’ve spoken to are just driving again instead whereas years ago they would have always gone by train. I can’t help but feel that the weird ownership model contributes to this and the whole company should just be properly nationalised.

Hell I used to bike 20km to work to avoid it

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by tetris11 »

panick21_ wrote: post #134
throwaway4good wrote: post #94

This is an international site and I think people don’t understand just how big Deutsche Bahn’s problems with delays are and how incredible dissatisfied its customers are. The situation with DB is really unique compared to its neighbors in any direction. While the tech described probably has merits, anyone who has been near DB lately would instinctively go: why are you doing this when you cannot get the basics right?

DB is a gigantic organization. Do you think it is reasonable for them not not make progress or advancement in anything as long as the ICE delays are not fixed? They can never change a train interior, improve the food menu, or 1000s of other things? This is a totally unreasonable suggestion. The reason for DB reliability problem is 50+ years of infrastructure neglect, fixing it will not be improved by shutting down ev…

But they had it better only a few years ago. DB has really crumbled.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by zo1 »

umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9
lqet wrote: post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

This entire sub-thread has me worried about society. People that thinks this way about the common good is why we can't have nice things. This is why it'll always be "50% vs 50%" and why we can't all get along and need to be separated.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by charamis »

oaiey wrote: post #113
constantcrying wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti

Life would be meaningless if it was just black and white. Fortunately there are times that we're reminded that people do live in cities and do stuff other than just minding their own.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by damsalor »

constantcrying wrote: post #107
lifeofguenter wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing Graffiti with Bank robbery is crazy. Its Art. I would like to understand why people take offense in it - especially if done on places that are so non-important.

Because at best it is ugly. On average you are defacing someone's property and worst case you are causing serious economic damage to someone. It's a reason it is a crime, although sadly it doesn't seem to be really enforced or punished, given the prevalence.

It’s a coping mechanism for youth culture. Your distain has already lost

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by tpm »

thuuuomas wrote: post #34
ldjb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. And when it's on publicly owned property, who pays for that removal? The public, of course. If, for example, a train is the target of graffiti, it will often need to be taken out of service. This, then, results in a degraded service to the travelling public. Furthermore, graffiti artists often put themselves in dangerous situations…

> The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. The cost incurred here is a choice the owner makes when they disagree with the aesthetics of the graffiti.

No, the owner or rather operator (if the carriage is publicly owned) might be legally obliged to remove it just for the carriage identification to be clearly visible, the windows to be clean etc.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by damsalor »

yodsanklai wrote: post #76
umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

My city is filled with horrible graffitis. Some types of ugly signatures, even on historical buildings. It takes only a few weeks after walls are cleaned up to see new graffitis reappearing. It's really sad.

The money would probably be better spent in community outreach than cleaning services

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by ben_w »

matrix_overload wrote: post #95
ldjb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. And when it's on publicly owned property, who pays for that removal? The public, of course. If, for example, a train is the target of graffiti, it will often need to be taken out of service. This, then, results in a degraded service to the travelling public. Furthermore, graffiti artists often put themselves in dangerous situations…

Why does this comment read like it's written by AI?

Possibly because AI was trained on humans.

The "furthermore" and the "Regardless, the negative impacts of graffiti should not be overlooked" do feel a bit AI-esq these days, but it was only yesterday that I myself felt like I was writing like an LLM by responding to a "you misunderstood, I meant …" with an "ah, now I understand": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40380692

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