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Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by LtWorf »

prmoustache wrote: post #83
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

The thing is, most of the 60's/70's building look like shit from outside but are pretty nice and super funcional from the inside while some older ones were made for an era where people had huge hotel particuliers with servants and stuff and the current appartments have been build by splitting those in parts. Those appartments that aren't as well made/functionnal despite being nice to look at and having lots of vertic…

> having lots of vertical space, nice carved/moulded ceiling, etc.

Do you mean that being habitable without air conditioning is a negative feature?

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by azulster »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #151
alistairSH wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful to avoid survivorship bias here. Only the "best" buildings from Medieval and Renaissance times (or even later into the 1800s) are still around. Many of the buildings we constructed in the second half of the 20th century will be gone in 100 years or so. Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know there was a lot of criticism when the Louvre built the pyramid, but I quite like the contrast of traditio…

There are lot's of city centres in Europe in France, Italy, Belgium etc. where entire neighborhoods survived, and they look great.

new york city's brownstones are considered beautiful and iconic now, but when they were built they were described as cheap eye-sores and a blight upon the beautiful city.

i imagine a similar trend must exist for most of the European cities. people's aesthetic usually rejects the new, but recognizes the beauty once it is seen as old and classic

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by netbioserror »

alistairSH wrote: post #110
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

Be careful to avoid survivorship bias here. Only the "best" buildings from Medieval and Renaissance times (or even later into the 1800s) are still around. Many of the buildings we constructed in the second half of the 20th century will be gone in 100 years or so. Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know there was a lot of criticism when the Louvre built the pyramid, but I quite like the contrast of traditio…

You must not travel a lot. There are huge numbers of historic villages and towns with original or very old architecture. If we were dealing with survivorship bias, we should expect essentially random buildings scattered around cities, not entire towns or contiguous historic districts.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by bmicraft »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #147
Gimpei wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Le Courbousier is what happened. He actually wanted to demolish Paris and put up a huge office park. But I love modern architecture. Try going to the Salk institute or even the Marin County Civic Center. It’s pretty mystical.

Try going to Palma, Salk institute looks like a depressive lifeless concrete mess OCD creation. https://www.spain.info/en/destination/palma/

It really does look depressing, even in the best photos

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by azulster »

hnuser847 wrote: post #143
alistairSH wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful to avoid survivorship bias here. Only the "best" buildings from Medieval and Renaissance times (or even later into the 1800s) are still around. Many of the buildings we constructed in the second half of the 20th century will be gone in 100 years or so. Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know there was a lot of criticism when the Louvre built the pyramid, but I quite like the contrast of traditio…

Yes, only the best buildings from hundreds of years ago have been preserved, but that still doesn't explain why we build ugly buildings right now. You would think we would be able to draw on centuries of architectural trial and error to determine what is objectively pleasing to people. Instead it's like the past never existed. Architects keep building hideous blobs of steel and glass and wondering why people don't li…

"hideous blobs of steel and glass" were originally known as glorious and beautiful modern architecture. oversaturation makes the creative into the tired and boring

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by azulster »

LtWorf wrote: post #161
prmoustache wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, most of the 60's/70's building look like shit from outside but are pretty nice and super funcional from the inside while some older ones were made for an era where people had huge hotel particuliers with servants and stuff and the current appartments have been build by splitting those in parts. Those appartments that aren't as well made/functionnal despite being nice to look at and having lots of vertic…

> having lots of vertical space, nice carved/moulded ceiling, etc. Do you mean that being habitable without air conditioning is a negative feature?

"Do you mean that being habitable without air conditioning is a negative feature?"

in a specific climate, sure. but in other climates high ceilings might just be a burden on the air conditioning system

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by azulster »

BurningFrog wrote: post #139
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

Buildings used to be made by rich people or institutions who built what they wanted. Now it's controlled by bureaucrats and regulations.

old buildings used to also be death traps, we only know of the survivors, but lots of old construction would burn down, collapse in a minor earthquake, or rot from water.

we only have the survivors to admire now

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by iambateman »

On a perfect afternoon in September, I walked alone through the park to find the church.

One moment, only trees. The next, La Sagrada Familia.

To stand there, before the century of brilliance and determination that combined to create this mass of stone and glass, on the edge between nature and society, and see, and sense that I too am seen, was one of the great privileges of my life.

To Gaudí, and his countless collaborators…thank you.

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