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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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post #151

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>It is in 100% of the places I know about. It's also in 100% of the countries I know about. What does that mean?

how many EU countries do you know about? Would you like me to investigate the propensity of this EU wide, or are you being glib about knowing only a single country and that technically is 100% of your knowledge?

>how many EU countries do you know about?

How many are your 100% of the countries?

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Not him, but I was in the same situation (I'm still in France with roughly the same salary but not in Paris anymore). > let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole Living in a 30 square meter apartment was pretty normal, yes. Don't feel obliged to call it "hole", it was pretty OK when you're alone. My rent was never more than a third of what I earned net. So generally less than 1K. > any decent car would cost you…

Yes by most normal countries (North and South America, Europe, Africa, Middle East ) and even broader French (outside of Paris) standards 30 meters square feet (320 sq feet) is called a tiny house, and is even illegal for families in some part of the world. The whole point is « if you’re alone »… is that a life frankly ? So you take a shitty salary because you’re alone or do you take money to progress in your persona…

I did not want to annoy anybody, I was just answering the "live very comfortably" part.

Yes I lived in Paris 15th arrondissement a little more than two years ago (for like 4 years?) with a less than 60k euros salary and felt personally that I lived comfortably.

> Yes by most normal countries

I know that 30 square meters was comfortable to me at the time and had no shame about it. I still find that I live in a "normal country" and don't really care that much what someone from another "normal country" would use as a diminishing adjective to qualify that apartment's superficy.

> is that a life frankly ?

First, it is, and I felt this part was kind of unnecessary. Founding a family is not the end goal of everyone, nor living in a mansion.

> So you take a shitty salary because you’re alone or do you take money to progress in your personal life and build something like a family ?

I did found someone (to also live with) in that time period, which roughly make the same salary than I, we both lived comfortably on our own before and our combined remunerations was thus much bigger when living together which means we could afford something bigger. We decided to move from Paris though, but I also understand people wanting to stay there.

And 60k is far from shitty, even in Paris. We even considered ourselves privileged as we had a usually better salary than our friends and a job we liked.

> but public transportation is a total disaster [...]

I am not that critical of Paris' public transportation, I thought it was good enough for going to work everyday or where I wanted to go most of the time.

> rent.it is around 1500 minimum

I was paying something like between 900 and 1k for 30-ish (don't remember) square meters. It's for the 13, 14, 15, 18, 19 and 20 arrondissements only I would guess, and [close] suburbs.

> waiting lines are in average 15 to 20 candidates per rentals

Yes that was an issue to me also. I had to send a lot of proposal everywhere to have a chance.

> Telco is 50 euros min without Netflix and football and Disney or Spotify

I just checked. I have different operators for phone and internet, and I'm at 20 for internet and 15 for mobile phone subscription. I'm also very bad at managing money so I'm sure I could spend less, if it mattered to me. No idea how much I spend for electricity, gas and so on, because I've never had any issue with money.

> people earning less than 4k net a month in the Paris region do look at the prices today

I did not and my girlfriend didn't two years ago look at prices when doing most day-to-day things, but maybe the situation evolved since then. Though to be honest we never lived an expensive life: we never had any TV for example nor Netflix and such subscriptions, and don't have expensive hobbies nor especially like expensive things.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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post #151

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how many EU countries do you know about? Would you like me to investigate the propensity of this EU wide, or are you being glib about knowing only a single country and that technically is 100% of your knowledge?

>how many EU countries do you know about? How many are your 100% of the countries?

2, plus one former as indicated.

I could probably speak a little to the surrounding nordic countries to be honest, it is fair to assume they have similar systems because they are very similar in many areas.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Again solidarity… If the strikers were listened to by the politicians they need to target then there wouldnt be a strike in a first place. People dont strike for fun. They try a lot of things before striking. Including communication with HR, bosses, politicians. All of it is easier than orginising a strike. Instead you assume they didnt try other ways. They are “not smart”, they take others “as hostage” and their met…

You mean enforced solidarity without any chance to vote out of it, not very democratic if you ask me. More like gentle modern terrorism, we strike you where it annoys you the most to manipulate you to change your opinions en masse as we need. Not actually what the word solidarity originally means. Also, more broadly to the topic a lot of french strikes by state sector were purely money driven, asking each year for su…

You dont have to have solidarity towards them. You obviously dont have and thats fine.

This is society everyone affects everyone. Same way you are inconvenienced by some workers striking. The workers are exploited by things that are out of there hands. So many people would like to quit capitalism but its impossible it will be enforced on everyone.

Be glad that it now works in your favor and you dont have to be one striking.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Generally if it is an illegal strike, it means you can be legally fired, not that you will be taken to jail.

https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/174983534283890689... Jail is always an option when someone is subject to contempt of court. In other states it's the individual teachers who get automatically fined, not the union. Contempt of court could also apply to the individuals if the judge wanted to make it so.

> Jail is always an option when someone is subject to contempt of court

Not civil contempt :) I don't know of any modern case in the US where so eone has ever been jailed for striking, even wildcat.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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> If they throw teachers in jail over not doing their job, the state loses in the long term. British health workers (nurses, ambulance workers) went on strike during 2022 and 2023. Their union eventually accepted a 5% pay increase - down from their initial 19% demand - which doesn't even begin to cover inflation. Most demands fizzle out into nearly nothing and most unions are by now massive bureaucratic machines, sta…

Yeah, not all unions are created equal. We saw some of thst with the Hollywood strikes last year. That's sadly a part of why some anti-union sentiment spreads organically; if the people who are supposed to be looking out for your interest end up being another corporation to fight, what's the point? That doesn't mean collective bargaining can't work. Especially for critical jobs like medicine and teaching. But it fall…

> ly; if the people who are supposed to be looking out for your interest end up being another corporation to fight

Except for the super key and critical difference that makes them nothing alike: you can vote on your leadership.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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The expectation is that salaries are periodically adapted to improve people's "purchase power". In Belgium for example, the yearly "indexation" of salaries is mandatory with a minimum of the inflation value from the previous year.

We also have the highest taxes in the world. So the government gets as much ( or more) benefit as the employee. Eoy bonus for having dinner a good work is almost pointless here. Since more than halve goes to the government.

It goes to the government so you can get it back in the form of public services, infrastructure, social welfare, healthcare, public amenities etc.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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> It WOULD work, but alas, you don't do it. This is also why the USA has all those anti-strike laws. My mom did it reasonably often as a teacher. The state made it illegal for her to ever strike again. Maybe not being willing to go to jail for refusing to work is why she doesn't do it? It's crazy to me that the law is basically "show up to work for whatever we decide to pay you, or go to jail" (via contempt of court,…

To many Danes (everyone I’ve ever discussed it with) Americans are simply “ridiculous” in the way you keep electing people who hurt you. It’s like you’re in a continuous abusive relationship with your own democracy. My wife and I just had twins, and while it went fine they needed CPAP to help their lungs develop fully because they were born with a c-section. Which put them in the children’s intensive care unit for ar…

Americans as a whole have a very high quality of life. If you consider the entire life time of our country, the US has accepted substantially many more poor immigrants than EU per cap - and then brought the median of those people to a quality of life comparable or higher than the EU countries.

If you consider just the descendents of the original population in the US in, say, 1900 - they are doing vastly better than equivalent in Europe. It is only because we let in so many more poor people that the median stays deflated, but people move up.

After eliminating differences due to obesity, the US also has better healthcare outcomes than the EU. Every time I go back to Europe it feels like the society is getting comparatively poorer.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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post #44

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To many Danes (everyone I’ve ever discussed it with) Americans are simply “ridiculous” in the way you keep electing people who hurt you. It’s like you’re in a continuous abusive relationship with your own democracy. My wife and I just had twins, and while it went fine they needed CPAP to help their lungs develop fully because they were born with a c-section. Which put them in the children’s intensive care unit for ar…

In Poland you pay ~30% of your salary as income and social taxes. If employed, woman has free access to public health system, with huge waiting lists, as you mentioned in your case. When getting pregnant, woman can go into full paid sick leave untill the delivery day. And then there is a maternity leave paid in 80% for a year. And there there is possibility to get unpaid leave for up to 3 more years, while woman keep…

> And then you hear about wealthy western countries when at 4 months woman should either leave the job or the baby. Not surprising such wealthy countries getting old fast.

poland tfr is significantly, significantly below that of the US

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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To nitpick: It WOULD work, but alas, you don't do it. This is also why the USA has all those anti-strike laws, especially regarding railroads.

> This is also why the USA has all those anti-strike laws, especially regarding railroads. And the people suffer?

Yes. The people suffer greatly.
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