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"The LSD movement was started by the CIA. I wouldn't be here now without the foresight of CIA scientists." -- Timothy Leary Subproject 6 of MK-ULTRA involved funding Eli Lilly to develop its own synthesis of LSD. The CIA embarked on this to ensure an adequate supply after finding that Sandoz had produced only 40 grams total of LSD. After Lilly succeeded, the CIA became the main customer, and via various other subproj…

> only 40 grams total of LSD Isn't that quite a lot of LSD?

Not if you’re dosing elephants.

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What does your writing process look like when you set out to write an entire book? I know a lot of HN users have blogs, but the idea of writing a whole book seems daunting. Would love to hear the details of your experience and what it looked like particularly for Tripping on Utopia

I wouldn't recommend my process to anyone, to be honest! I probably wrote a total of around 200k words over a four year period, of which I ended up cutting around 110k. I find it to be very true that you don't know what you actually want to say until you start writing things that aren't what you want to say. Then it's an iterative process of critiquing, rethinking, and starting over. I'm sure some people are able to…

Thanks for writing this up. I’m on my own writing journey and it’s inspiring to hear that its as chaotic to others and I’m finding it (while also being productive). So cheers to that!

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One thing which immediately reveals the lie in this is that it pretends the counterculture was the only thing going on in the 60s and ignores the New Left, Civil Rights movements, various arts movements, the cementing of the MIC, the rise of the PMC, etc etc. The 60s were a massive rupture and while it’s true the counterculture wasn’t the only influence its bizarre to say it didn’t really exist to any extent.

And beginnings of the labor market having its back broken of course.

That's more the mid-late 70s.

If you follow the long-wave (Kondratiev wave) theory of economics, the 70s was the beginning of the real "drop" while the 60s were still (relatively) boom times.

At the beginning of the downturn, there were large strike waves and dissent ... which were then, yes, broken, leading to the collapse of the socialist left wing in western countries (those parties calling themselves [or being called] socialist or social democratic now generally aren't and haven't been for a long while), and a brutal weakening of the organized labour movement.

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Recently read a description of 1960's ideology. The claim being that its all propaganda, and what we know as 60s ideology (peace love etc) actually never really happened for a real duration of time. What did happen was that those that prescribed to that line of thinking either moved to communes, or they dropped so much acid they were societally irrelevant. There werent many people actually out and about that were pus…

The way we understand history is limited to the mechanisms we have for recording it and reliving it. We experience history through imitation, parody, critique, imperfect recollection and the marketing and resale of cultural artifacts. Media can reduce ideas and people to stereotypes but it can also provide you with hours of raw documentary footage to wade through if you're willing.

Re: When America first dropped acid

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I've never dropped acid. Net-net, what's best in your (whosoever is reading this) opinion? 1. To never drop acid. 2. To try it out a couple times and never do it again? 3. To add it as part of one's regimen as and when one needs it?

Another user put it well that it's a _novel_ experience unlike anything else. To have a couple layers of your ego, bias, and preconceptions shed off for a few hours to see the world, yourself, your life, your thoughts, and everything else in a new lens that you may have forgotten how to see, while your mind runs on a overclock for a brief period with a little extra randomness/creativity. If you are a 'thinker', and able to get yourself over the 'hard drugs' concept, then you should try it if you have access and just see if you like what comes of it.

I like the metaphor of the mountain ski slope, where our minds have our regular thought patterns/trails that we are used to using and LSD is like a fresh load of snow that let's your mind explore and create new pathways in the slopes! This doesn't mean you will come out in 10 hours as a different person, but you will have had a new perspective and that's always enlightening in some way, however simple it may be.

Taking one tab of 100ug for me is never a full 'tripping' experience where I feel out of control and I think most people can try this and enjoy it without much to worry about. There's minimal mental and visual effects and at the peak for 1-2 hours or so you'll get a taste of what LSD is about. If you have a pleasurable experience then up the dose by 25ug every 4 months until 150 or so to get a better trip where things aren't out of control at the peaks but you have a good time. Then when you're comfortable you can do a yearly trip/meditation session out in nature, the shore, or a nice view. The mental state is really unlike anything else for me and being nonaddictive is so nice as I can just go a whole year without using it with no mental effort. Unlike where with weed where my brain equates it with a dopamine response and I'll get thoughts to go smoke even though I'm no regular user.

That's my 6 cents, hope it was useful to someone.

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Recently read a description of 1960's ideology. The claim being that its all propaganda, and what we know as 60s ideology (peace love etc) actually never really happened for a real duration of time. What did happen was that those that prescribed to that line of thinking either moved to communes, or they dropped so much acid they were societally irrelevant. There werent many people actually out and about that were pus…

Here is that book written by someone born in 1968 who is a conservative hack https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Politically-Incor... The idea that psychedelic and the alternative life styles not being widespread was true, but the author was coming with his mind set from the start.

Re: When America first dropped acid

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I've never dropped acid. Net-net, what's best in your (whosoever is reading this) opinion? 1. To never drop acid. 2. To try it out a couple times and never do it again? 3. To add it as part of one's regimen as and when one needs it?

Meh. Did it a couple times in college, did not really enjoy it, didn't hate it but preferred most other drug options. I did mildly hallucinate which was pretty neat. I wonder how much of what you get out of it though is what you go in expecting. Expect a mind altering experience and maybe you get one.

Only real negative for me was it lasts quite a while.

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I've never dropped acid. Net-net, what's best in your (whosoever is reading this) opinion? 1. To never drop acid. 2. To try it out a couple times and never do it again? 3. To add it as part of one's regimen as and when one needs it?

If you do it, make sure you're in a relaxed (probably domestic) setting. Not wandering around a city; and definitely not meeting anyone you know but wouldn't want to meet while on acid! Like the person below says, hopefully you've taken alcohol or other drugs and know what it's like to have your mind changed. However. Depending on how sensitive you are to it and the dosage, what LSD does to your mind can be pretty extreme: you have to be prepared to lose your own personality completely for a few hours and basically feel like life as you knew it as your previous self doesn't exist any longer. And so, as the other person says, it's really only going to work well if you're the sort of person that can enjoy that sort of craziness and somewhere in there be able to have a little voice reminding you that this doesn't, actually, last forever.

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Recently read a description of 1960's ideology. The claim being that its all propaganda, and what we know as 60s ideology (peace love etc) actually never really happened for a real duration of time. What did happen was that those that prescribed to that line of thinking either moved to communes, or they dropped so much acid they were societally irrelevant. There werent many people actually out and about that were pus…

Here is that book written by someone born in 1968 who is a conservative hack https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Politically-Incor... The idea that psychedelic and the alternative life styles not being widespread was true, but the author was coming with his mind set from the start.

As we can see, some people have been deluded by some kind of propaganda which makes it difficult for them to grasp the way an anti-war movement could have had any long-lasing or widespread effects, much less this far into the 21st century.

While anybody who has been paying attention to reality for very long will recall that the preference for peace & love over war & hate was so overwhelming that it was the war that was over within just a year or two after critical mass was reached among young people. Yes it was only a small portion who took the LSD, but the entire generation was influenced in some way or another too numerous to mention. For one thing it was just too stupid to continue being drafted into the army to go and fight for somebody else's country. There were not major anti-corporate attitudes, that was the least of considerations and really just a little bit of collateral fallout against military contractors. Nothing compared to the number of people today who are truly anti-corporate.

The entire nation grew to a point where a US President known to be dishonest by millions of citizens, was embarassingly ushered out by the combined attitude of the rest of the country (including those who had voted to re-elect him), way more respectably than deserved.

Think how much more widespread a collective attitude among young people against dishonesty would have to be before it could spread further enough for anything comparable like that to be accomplished today. Someone born in the 21st century would be the easiest to be taken advantage of by current disinformation since they simply have no frame of reference, there's nothing modern that compares. When someone born as early as 1968 can come up without a clue.

What's really hilarious is whoever is swallowing this propaganda is spending so much time so misinformed it's like (not even) trying to grasp reality while never venturing outside of Disneyland, and having nothing but imaginary characters as a source of guidance. This wouldn't be the first century where some people's perceptions can become far more distorted without any drugs compared to others who are under the influence.

I guess you can't trust everybody's description, especially when it comes to ideology.

Plus I would think it makes sense to do whatever one can do to discourage the spreading of propaganda.

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Recently read a description of 1960's ideology. The claim being that its all propaganda, and what we know as 60s ideology (peace love etc) actually never really happened for a real duration of time. What did happen was that those that prescribed to that line of thinking either moved to communes, or they dropped so much acid they were societally irrelevant. There werent many people actually out and about that were pus…

>Weird to think about how media can amplify a set of ideas, that itself didnt last very long.

I feel like something similar happens with various woke/cultural issues

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