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Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

#161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see no problem with expecting people to say "nope." to credible-seeming trolls. It takes mere seconds and provides strong evidence to discredit the troll in the future. And you calling it a marketing stunt is a very different situation because you have a clear motivation of rhetorical device to fake an email and you're not staking your reputation on it. Finally, I don't think anyone here is suggesting taking action…

> And you calling it a marketing stunt is a very different situation because you have a clear motivation of rhetorical device to fake an email and you're not staking your reputation on it. Whoa. I never said that. I never suggested it, and suggesting I said that is completely dishonest and reprehensible*. I'm going to assume you misread what I've written. I've said that there are many possibilities that could explain…

I am sorry. I was unclear there and I think I got things a bit confused as I replied. What I meant to say there is that your italic fake-quote that the blog post was a lie was a very different etc. I think I misremembered there being a mention of it being a stunt inside the fake-quote. Either way, I'm sorry I worded that unclearly. I wasn't talking about your actual opinion there, I was talking about your fake-quote.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

#162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Either she is a victim or she made up the entire story along with emails. There are other possibilities as well. It's not so black and white. > Your other posts about italic text honestly come across to me as a strawman. Oh, evidence was presented? You know, using the word strawman doesn't mean it is, nor does it change what has, or has not, been presented. You can dismiss my arguments and believe what you want, ho…

I'm sorry for making it sound like I think the situation is black and white. What I meant was was that the text of the email is a pretty clear bad policy. Anyway, on to the main point. You're using an example of how easy it is to throw out words and ignoring the fact that if this blog post is a lie it has serious ramifications on her integrity. So I feel justified calling it a strawman. This isn't quoting a 4chan thr…

> ignoring the fact that if this blog post is a lie it has serious ramifications on her integrity.

Judging by some of the other posts about this "victim", I'm not sure her integrity is a concern. Supposedly she's done KickStarter before, and essentially just taken the money and not produced (Please, check these threads for the specific comments regarding it).

At the same time, keep in mind that when I first came to this thread, there were a LOT of comments condemning KickStarter, making an assumption. My goal throughout this has been to try and remind people to be objective. If your objective, that's great! I have no issue with you, or anyone else with an objective. I've been responding to numerous people throughout all this as well, so there is a good chance I might end up talking to more than one person in a single thread, and not realize it.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

#163

Oh man, not this girl again. Let's just say she is known for being at the center of drama wherever she goes. She has a very long history of libel and public feuds related to her "music project." In one of many incidents, her and her mother sent DMCA takedown requests to LiveJournal based on negative information being posted by another user (completely unrelated to copyright). Please do not give her attention. At leas…

her mother also sent out a pleading email begging people to "stop hurting Rachel's fragile self esteem. You don't know what she has been through."

later emails revealed from her own Mother? He mother stated that a crazed Cuban nanny in the mansion (Rachel Mendelson's father was Paul Mendelson who was Janet Reno's top prosecutor for the state of Florida, state assistant DA!) ... well this nanny chopped up Rachel's labia with scissors when Rachel was three years old. This is what her mother states is the origin of all her "mental difficulties."

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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META OK everyone. You might have noticed that Hacker News has gone downhill lately. A common pattern is for the number one comment to be some vaguely negative and uninteresting post. In this case, it's also an inflammatory post that wrongly blames the victim. I'm friends with Rachel and the stalker dude is real. I was uselessly harassed by him because I spoke at Extreme Futurist Fest. He's real, he's crazy, and somet…

>I'm friends with Rachel and the stalker dude is real

I would keep in mind the possibility that she herself is sending out this stalker material. If she has a history of generating drama, as has been suggested by others from communities she's been previously involved in, creating a stalker is the perfect device. Her account of the stalker's tactics is quite extreme: I've never heard of any case where a cyberstalker has taken things as far as she claims this stalker has. Some evidence would help her case.

As an aside, just to let you know where my perspective comes from, I've been involved in the past with noise/industrial music communities and have met some extreme, sociopathic individuals. I also currently have a friend who claims he's stalked but my best guess, after years of knowing him, is that it's a psychological manifestation. He has lost at least one creative deal by sending, out of the blue, abusive electronic communication. People can act in unusual ways, even intelligent, articulate people that are normally personable.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

#166

Oh man, not this girl again. Let's just say she is known for being at the center of drama wherever she goes. She has a very long history of libel and public feuds related to her "music project." In one of many incidents, her and her mother sent DMCA takedown requests to LiveJournal based on negative information being posted by another user (completely unrelated to copyright). Please do not give her attention. At leas…

I don't have an opinion on this case, but after reading the comments, I'm wondering if this case is possible:

1 She is a legitimate victim of cyberstalking, with a legitimate beef against Kickstarter

2 She is also an opportunist, using #1 to generate publicity for her project

3 Kickstarter could/should have handled this differently/better

For me, I get the impression from the responses here that some think that #1 and #2 above are mutually exclusive, when it's possible they may not be. If #2 is true, it doesn't in my mind invalidate #1 and #3, but it could make me less sympathetic to her cause.

I'm not sure we should draw any conclusions based on a blog post from only one side of the 'dispute' (Kickstarter hasn't stated their side), but it's interesting to me how polarizing her blog entry is in this thread.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

#167

Oh man, not this girl again. Let's just say she is known for being at the center of drama wherever she goes. She has a very long history of libel and public feuds related to her "music project." In one of many incidents, her and her mother sent DMCA takedown requests to LiveJournal based on negative information being posted by another user (completely unrelated to copyright). Please do not give her attention. At leas…

her mother also sent out a pleading email begging people to "stop hurting Rachel's fragile self esteem. You don't know what she has been through." later emails revealed from her own Mother? He mother stated that a crazed Cuban nanny in the mansion (Rachel Mendelson's father was Paul Mendelson who was Janet Reno's top prosecutor for the state of Florida, state assistant DA!) ... well this nanny chopped up Rachel's lab…

This is so shockingly inappropriate, I wish I could flag it twice. There is no reason to post information this personal, and completely irrelevant to the conversation here. I believe there is more to this story than the blog post indicates, but you have obviously created this account for malicious purposes.

If anyone reading this has the ability to hellban a user, this would be an appropriate time to exercise your authority. That's all I will contribute to this conversation.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

#168

I don't think that it is necessarily fair to be extremely critical of Kickstarter. I think that we should consider the viewpoint of the respondent to her, he probably thinks that she in some way caused the stalker to spam her project. I agree 100% that this problem should be fixed - but I don't think that Kickstarter would intentionally ban her account for this situation if they had the full story, and now that it ha…

he probably thinks that she in some way caused the stalker to spam her project. No matter what happened here, this entire concept is horribly, horribly wrong. It's blaming the victim -- saying that it's somehow her fault for "causing" the stalker to do something... as opposed to the stalker's fault, for stalking .

I was in no way saying that it was the victim's fault. I just don't think that Kickstarter should be on the receiving end of a lot of criticism until we get the full story from them. It may very well be that they are under the impression that that it is her fault, although I am not saying it is, it is just plausible and would account for their reaction to her ban.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

#169
post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

her mother also sent out a pleading email begging people to "stop hurting Rachel's fragile self esteem. You don't know what she has been through." later emails revealed from her own Mother? He mother stated that a crazed Cuban nanny in the mansion (Rachel Mendelson's father was Paul Mendelson who was Janet Reno's top prosecutor for the state of Florida, state assistant DA!) ... well this nanny chopped up Rachel's lab…

This is so shockingly inappropriate, I wish I could flag it twice. There is no reason to post information this personal, and completely irrelevant to the conversation here. I believe there is more to this story than the blog post indicates, but you have obviously created this account for malicious purposes. If anyone reading this has the ability to hellban a user, this would be an appropriate time to exercise your au…

Rachel Mendelson-Haywire-Marone does not _deserve_ ANY privacy. Why is that? Rachel MHM is responsible for a website which featured pictures of people nude and having sex on it. These photos were never public, never on the internet until she and a sugar daddy of hers _purchased_ them from a 3rd party. It took _considerable_ legal resources to get this website down, and this MAKES RACHEL MARONE THE WORST KIND OF STALKER! She IS what she accuses others (many others) of!!!

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

#170

    Rachel Marone had a restraining order on HER for stalking! 

    and also from her own blog:
    >
    > Experiment Haywire's Blog
    > Sign up
    > Mar 22, 2009
    > Prometheus Burning threatens legal action against me for
    "stalking"
    > I hate that I need to share this with everyone but I feel that my
    > legal safety might be in danger and am making this post to ask for
    > advice. I am currently scared out of my mind.
    >
    > Remember the band that called me a "lonely wannabe poser with no
    > musical skill" and a "hypocritical talentless hack" after staging
    > public drama with me for publicity? The band that harassed me to
    > the point where I actually had to call my sick mother for help? My
    > mother was conservative enough to file a DMCA charge against this
    > band for posting a private email of mine to the public. While I
    did
    > not want this private email posted and felt an extreme sense of
    > violation I strongly disapproved of my mother's actions regarding
    > the DMCA. (an organization which I utterly despise) In the end my
    > mother was in critical medical condition and was simply trying to
    > get this band to leave me alone- yet when she brought the DMCA
    into
    > this I was furious.
    >
    > I recently emailed the band and apologized for the actions of my
    > mother. I mentioned that I liked their music and that I would like
    > to put the past behind us. I used to be on good terms with this
    > band. I was a constant promoter of their music and spun them
    > consistently as a DJ in NYC when nobody else had heard of them. We
    > had mutual friends and (as far as I saw it) absolutely no reason
    to
    > perpetuate any conflict between us. I planned to support them on
    > tour along with Caustic and The Gothsicles in Atlanta. I figured
    > that it would be a great time.
    >
    > Until they told me the following on a public forum:
    >
    > "We have saved every email and message you have sent to Nikki. We
    > have saved every message, bulletin, etc. you have posted that
    > mentions us and we have saved every post you ever made on these
    > forums and others that mention us. Your stalker behavior is well
    > documented by us and by our lawyer. We have not taken the steps to
    > get a PFA against you as of yet, but we have more than enough
    > documentation to do so when we feel it necessary." -Prometheus
    > Burning
    >
    > Just wow. I don't appreciate people making false accusations about
    > me and I certainly don't appreciate being threatened with a lawyer
    > for a crime that I did not commit. Most importantly though: do
    they
    > have any idea what stalking actually is? As someone who has been
    > stalked before (and I'm not just talking about ex-boyfriends
    > failing to leave me alone but an actual sociopath making constant
    > threats against the lives of me and the people dear to me) I am
    > strongly offended by the way this band has used the term
    "stalking"
    > to refer to my attempt at a peaceful resolution. Stalking is not a
    > joke. If you have ever been stalked before you know what it's like
    > to beg for your stalker to leave you alone only to be told not to
    > further engage him. If you have ever been stalked before you know
    > what it's like to walk into a public place in fear of your life.
    If
    > you have ever been stalked before you know that horrible sinking
    > feeling you get when your stalker contacts you. It is not a
    > pleasant feeling. (to say the least)
    >
    > Stalking is not something to fuck around with. Accusing someone of
    > stalking is a lot like accusing someone of domestic abuse. If this
    > person didn't stalk or abuse you then you are minimizing the
    > struggles of thousands of individuals who are stalked and abused.
    > Many of these people have emailed me in tears to confide. Yet now
    > this band is claiming that I am stalking them. What can I do? I'm
    > being threatened with legal action for a crime that I did not
    > commit. A crime that I myself have been a target of.
    >
    > At least there is some comic relief to this story. I was trying to
    > understand the motivation behind all of their harassment. At first
    > I didn't pay any attention to the messages I was getting from
    > friends who were telling me this band was now ripping off my vocal
    > style. I honestly didn't give a fuck because I had other things to
    > focus on. Yet when they started threatening legal action against
    me
    > for "stalking" I went to their myspace page. Behold.
    >
    > Did they rip off my vocals? I want to say no because my delivery
    is
    > a lot more punk rock but I couldn't help noticing that the lead
    > singer was now using my same vocal patterns, screaming/talking
    > style, word emphasis, etc. in their songs. This was not what was
    > most surprising to me though. What was surprising to me was that
    > these pseudo-occult types who were avid readers of Acidexia in its
    > blog form and readers of Generation Hex (the Disinformation chaos
    > magick anthology that you can find my writing in) were using every
    > concept I'd written about in Acidexia and Generation Hex for their
    > band.
    >
    > Their "influences" are as follows:
    >
    > Self Destructive Behavior
    > Sensory Deprivation
    > Transhumanism
    > Chaos Magick
    > Traumatic Childhood Experiences
    > Abusive Relationships
    > Bi-Polar Depression
    > Insomnia
    > Aleister Crowley
    > Panic Disorder
    > Vivid Dreaming and Nightmares
    > Clive Barker
    > The Black Arts
    > Robert Anton Wilson
    > Discordia
    > Genesis P Orridge
    > Timothy Leary
    > HR Giger
    > Tentacle Rape
    > Smoking crack while worshiping the Dark Lord
    >
    > With the exception of the tentacle rape and smoking crack it was
    > pretty much a word-for-word summary of Acidexia. Their lyrics
    > followed a similar rip-off mentality. Mother of Abominations? I
    was
    > writing about that when I was 17. The darker side of chaos
    magick?
    > Nope, never been there before! At this point it was just getting
    > hilarious and I started to see what was actually going on. This
    > band was trying to run me out by accusing me of "stalking" them so
    > people wouldn't see that they'd been ripping off my ideas with
    > their new album. Well here's some news for the entire occult
    > community: their new album is everything that I wrote about in
    > Acidexia before I even started Experiment Haywire.
    >
    > I'm also curious how much they actually know about chaos magick.
    > I'm not sure wearing a TOPY necklace counts as much of anything
    but
    > I could be wrong. This band wanted attention through having drama
    > with someone who wasn't well liked in the industrial scene. Now
    > they've got it. Again. I am sure they will enjoy the occult
    > attention too. Quit watering down chaos magick with your tribute
    to
    > 90's industrial. It's not good for the new paradigm.
    >
    > If anyone has any legal advice for me it would be much
    appreciated.
    > I apologize for having to post this but I'm not sure what else to
    > do. I am seriously freaking out.
    >
    > Thanks for listening,
    > Rachel Haywire
    >
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