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Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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> They're more likely to buy a budget laptop in the 400-500 range I'd imagine the TCO on those bargain basement laptops is terrible, so I doubt they're really a big sell for corporate buyers.

$299 Inspirons these days come with NVMe storage and 6 core Intel CPUs

Still the 1366x768 displays that they were using 10 years ago?

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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Not necessarily - it depends how easily you can upgrade off-the shelf NVMs and RAM, and how much RAM its motherboard supports.

(A) the actual purchase cost for memory, whether its $200 or $20 is essentially irrelevant when it comes to TCO. (B) In my experience corporate machines simply aren't upgraded. You get enough for the job when you order it. If you need more, you get a new machine and the old one is repurposed or retired if it's remaining usable life is short.

>In my experience corporate machines simply aren't upgraded.

Yeah. It would basically be insane for a company to nickel and dime laptop purchases and then pay an IT person to do bespoke upgrades. Like a lot of things that may seem sensible on a personal level where labor is cheap/free, they don't make sense when you're paying someone $50+ an hour to do them.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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8GB RAM would be enough. If not companies searched and found a successor for Flash. Is is Electron! It wastes memory, it is slow, it doesn’t integrate to Linux, Windows and MacOS and it allows to deploy bloated JavaScript locally. But it is cheap for them!

Basically the target of companies is avoiding to employ programmers for native applications. These people cost money. And optimization cost money. So they opt to waste our resources. The new ThinkPad/MacBook with soldered RAM does cost us a lot but not them.

And if you just use Googles Chrome - which made all this possible with V8 - you still have a problem. Every website believes it is okay to load JS from literally everywhere and show any kind of animated media. Plus no ad-blocker.

And us, opening hundreds of tabs with Epiphany, Firefox, Safari or Chrome ;)

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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When I started my current job they gave me an M1 Mac with 8GB because it’s what they had on hand. I could barely run my IDE and a web browser. At least 1GB was for video memory, and it was swapping constantly. I couldn’t run docker containers because of how much input lag I would get. 8GB is barely usable and shouldn’t even be an option for a Pro machine. I used it for a week before switching to a personal desktop wi…

I had an old job give me a bottom of the barrel, refurbished HP Desktop. I popped in some RAM I had laying around and bought a $75 SSD, my machine was then the envy of the office.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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> That's why I said normal office workers and students. Costing 9 hundos a piece, Air is not something a regular company would buy for their employees. They're more likely to buy a budget laptop in the 400-500 range which you can bet will do just fine for office work, and you can always upgrade it if necessary. If a company really does need their employees to work a Mac, they will have to cough out a lot more for the…

When I was in college, I interned as IT support at a large corporation. We were buying $1200 Lenovos for normal office workers and $2000 laptop workstations for the design engineers. You'd be surprised at how much money enterprises spend on each laptop. I happen to think that the enterprise is an untapped market for Macs. Not tech offices. Other industries that run on Lenovos and Dells. If I'm a small business, I sti…

IBM went to macs 8 years ago.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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I don't understand... I routinely run my M1 Air with 4 instances of jetbrains IDEs, have dual screen, Safari with tens of tabs, additional apps like Rocket chat and more... and the machine never go past 8gb ram. What's going on with others ?

I run my minimum spec m1 air with docker, vsc and all the same things I run on my work lenovo t14 or something with 32gb ram and my m1 runs better. So I'm not sure why 8gb wouldn't be enough for most things on a macbook, and I do wonder what the hell windows is doing.

That being said. I don't see why Apple wouldn't put 16gb in the M3 pros. I mean, I don't really get why you'd buy the smallest pro instead of just getting the air, but it does seem cheap of Apple to only put 8GB of ram into it.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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From another point of view this author's arguments may look a little odd.

He has not much problem with Apple charging $1799 for a MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM. His problem is that Apple sells another model with 8GB for $1599. A $200 difference for a 8GB difference, what a ripoff!

Does that mean he'd be happier if Apple sold the base model for $1699 instead of $1599, making the 8GB memory upgrade cost a more reasonable $100?

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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8GB is still good enough for office workers and students. Heck, I used an M1 8GB Air for 1 year as a dev. Although I wish I had more RAM, it still served me well. For $899 (on sale sometimes), the 8GB M2 Air is absolutely a steal. The screen quality, thinness, battery life, build quality, SoC, quietness, coolness, metal enclosure, touchpad, and speakers are simply unmatched by anything in the PC world at that price -…

I think you missed the point - we're talking about computers marketed as "Pro" devices which should be able to handle "Pro" workloads.

8GB on the Airs is a completely different issue as these are not marketed as Pro devices.

Consumers place a lot of faith in Apple as a brand so when they go and purchase a "Macbook Pro" they should be able to assume Apple has their back and it's actually going to do what it says on the tin. It's 2023, memory demand is higher than it ever has been and selling a "Pro" computer thats destined to be living on swap so they can try squeeze another $200 out of you is pretty shitty honestly. And it's not like you can just upgrade it, you have to toss it out and get a whole new device.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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Upgrading to 16GB costs as much as dinner for two at a moderately nice restaurant.

Where do you live? I pay half that to take my family of 5 out.

Any major US city? Dinner for two with my wife is ~$200, yeah...? (I'm not even in California or NYC)
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