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FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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Does everyone really need that much bandwidth though? Usally 20mbps is enough for most things. 50 is plenty and after that it’s mostly bragging rights.

You clearly don't play video games. Waiting on downloads in the mid 10s of GB is common.

- Multiple people videoconferencing at once, as was very common in a lot of households during COVID lockdown.

- Gaming.

- Other large downloads/uploads for WFH purposes.

- High-bitrate 4k UHD streaming.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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I started with Comcast with 12Mbps service. Over time, they increased the base speed they offer to 20, 25, 50, and now 75. They have done this because they want to have x% of their customers on "broadband", per the federal definition.

This is all well and good, but they keep increasing the price, and refuse to offer lower-tier service. I probably wouldn't want 12Mbps anymore, but 20 or 25 would suffice. I wish I could pay a fraction of what I'm paying for 75Mbps and get a lower tier of service. It should suffice that x% of customers are offered "broadband" for a reasonable price, even if some choose a lower speed.

Ultimately, this comes down to competition. There are no other wired options where I live (in the heart of Silicon Valley). I have considered using a cellular hotspot, but it's not competitive in terms of pricing.

I'm all for prodding companies to move to faster speeds, but there should still be room for consumer choice.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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post #145

I recently won a credit card dispute over a hotel resort fee. The hotel claimed they had high-speed Internet. The speed was only 2-3 mbps. I was able to use the current FCC definition of high-speed to claim a refund.

That is awesome. Can you say more about your process?

I feel like you almost always win credit card disputes - could have just said it felt slow and won.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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I had Comcast forever with a maximum upload of 25mbps. They abandoned advertising the upload speed a long time ago. Finally made the switch to AT&T Fiber last weekend. I'll never go back to cable again!

Similar here, moved to Sonic fiber, 10G download and upload speed.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

#165

This is nice, but with increased speed, they should also require ISPs do not impose a data cap to be considered broadband.

It blows my mind that you guys in the US still have to deal with data caps ... It's been years in the UK since that's been a thing for broadband, and we're close to the point where mobile data will be the same

For residential internet most people have no data cap and those who do have a very large cap (over 1TB/month). Even I as a pretty active user only use like 500GB/month on my desktop according to Windows.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

#166

Honest question: at what point, with real life usage, is 1 Gbps actually necessary for home users? I find that latency rather than throughput is what determines my perceived quality of an Internet connection. But am curious how others think.

They upgraded my line from VDSL (~80Mbit/s down and 20 up) to 1Gbit/s FTTH (~800Mbit/s down and 300 up) and didn't see that big difference, on normal navigation. Sure, if I download a torrent, it is much faster. But is not the kind of upgrade that I experienced from ADSL (7Mbit) to VDSL. Since most of the time I use the PC under Wi-Fi anyway, that doesn't go over 600Mbit/s near the AP, but really not over 100 in the…

That matches my experience as well. I'll take a little slower, if its symmetric and fiber. The stability is worth it. I could stream multiple videos at 4k pretty easily with 100Mbps. They've upgraded to 300 since then, but the difference was unnoticeable.

Most complaints that I've seen in various neighborhoods are from people that were not getting anywhere near their full speed. Usually the cause is their wifi router.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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Honest question: at what point, with real life usage, is 1 Gbps actually necessary for home users? I find that latency rather than throughput is what determines my perceived quality of an Internet connection. But am curious how others think.

Most households with 4+ people are going to have dozens of connected devices, including multiple doing HD to 4K entertainment streams, outgoing video feeds, and (at least on PS5) the occasional unexpected 80GB updates to a video game you were just about to play. This in addition to the apps/webapps that are often in the 10s of Mb of content served per click.

Those households also have one poorly configured Wi-Fi access point, which is jockeying for airtime with dozens of competing access points in the same frequency range, meaning the customer is realistically going to see maybe 200Mbps aggregated across those devices (due to interference, channel congestion, that one streaming device with a -90dBm signal sucking up all the airtime at the lowest supported data rate...)

IMHO we need to address the "last meter" experience before mandated gigabit internet speeds mean anything.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

#168

I started with Comcast with 12Mbps service. Over time, they increased the base speed they offer to 20, 25, 50, and now 75. They have done this because they want to have x% of their customers on "broadband", per the federal definition. This is all well and good, but they keep increasing the price, and refuse to offer lower-tier service. I probably wouldn't want 12Mbps anymore, but 20 or 25 would suffice. I wish I coul…

I got hit by this as well. Speed was doubled 'for free' one month with no notice. A few months later the price was doubled.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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post #37

It's 100 Mbps down / 20 Mbps up as the proposal, and 1000 Mbps / 500 Mbps as an eventual goal. I imagine the 20 Mbps upload target is useless for most of us, even those on asymmetric cable, but there's a good chance that if the ISPs were forced to provide 20 Mbps up at their lowest broadband tiers, it would raise the ladder quite a bit. For example, on Comcast I get 800 / 20, but there's also a 400 / 10 tier (and may…

According to someone I know that works at Comcast, they're working on rolling out symmetrical (or at least closer to symmetrical) speeds—even over coax—within the next few years. I'm able to get 2000/200, which is decent. Metronet just buried fiber in my front yard, though, so I'm looking forward to symmetrical fiber soonish (though Metronet has been building so fast I'm worried about growing pains).

They announced this a few weeks ago (https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/comcast-first-deploy...).

Already starting the rollout in Colorado.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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post #145

I recently won a credit card dispute over a hotel resort fee. The hotel claimed they had high-speed Internet. The speed was only 2-3 mbps. I was able to use the current FCC definition of high-speed to claim a refund.

That is awesome. Can you say more about your process?

probably just called the card issuer. It's a valid chargeback reason, here's Visa's guidance (probably under section 13.3): https://usa.visa.com/content/dam/VCOM/global/support-legal/d...

"You inaccurately described the merchandise or services at the time of purchase." (billed as high-speed, it wasn't)

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