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FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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Yes, for the same reason that roads used by daily drivers are subsidized by remote workers.

Ironically roads should also have caps and/or tolls, so this take is strange. This is partly why gas and excise tax is a thing…

Do you seriously want every road you drive on to charge you? Roads should be a public good that we all benefit from

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

#32

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Yes, for the same reason that roads used by daily drivers are subsidized by remote workers.

Ironically roads should also have caps and/or tolls, so this take is strange. This is partly why gas and excise tax is a thing…

What is ironic about you're opinion disagreeing with the status quo in some countries?

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

#33

Honest question: at what point, with real life usage, is 1 Gbps actually necessary for home users? I find that latency rather than throughput is what determines my perceived quality of an Internet connection. But am curious how others think.

When games are 100+ gigs it starts being something that can make an impact especially when updates are also massive. But this is the same thing people say over every incremental in tech. “Isn’t x enough”

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

#34

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Yes, for the same reason that roads used by daily drivers are subsidized by remote workers.

Ironically roads should also have caps and/or tolls, so this take is strange. This is partly why gas and excise tax is a thing…

> Ironically roads should also have caps and/or tolls, so this take is strange.

We'll set up electronic tolls on your cul-de-sac and every light and stop sign, or toll you by mile driven using an odometer beaconing out to the tax authorities per drive and registered to your tax ID number (US) or equivalent. And then cap you on the number of miles you're allowed to drive per year on all cars unless you pay an additional fee.

Older cars must be retrofit at the driver's expense.

Also the auditing and anti-fraud infrastructure must be instituted for all of this.

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Or we can just do flat taxes and chill.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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Why shouldn’t there be a cap? Bandwidth isn’t free. It’s sad seeing people on a forum called hacker news having no idea how networking infrastructure works.

once the infrastructure is there does each byte/gigabyte really have an intrinsic cost? isn't more about the bytes per second and not the bytes total ?

Sure, but the argument for caps is that it reduces overall demand and therefore peak consumption, and peak consumption is what the ISPs actually have to pay for.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

#36

This is nice, but with increased speed, they should also require ISPs do not impose a data cap to be considered broadband.

So that someone's grandma who hardly uses her connection can subsidize your extreme over-consumption of digital media?

Data packets aren't a limited resource. The costs for your ISP are fixed whether they serve you 1MB or 1TB. Data caps and overage charges are purely a money grab, not some fundamental economic requirement. So no, infrequent users aren't "subsidizing" anyone else.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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It's 100 Mbps down / 20 Mbps up as the proposal, and 1000 Mbps / 500 Mbps as an eventual goal.

I imagine the 20 Mbps upload target is useless for most of us, even those on asymmetric cable, but there's a good chance that if the ISPs were forced to provide 20 Mbps up at their lowest broadband tiers, it would raise the ladder quite a bit. For example, on Comcast I get 800 / 20, but there's also a 400 / 10 tier (and maybe a low-cost tier below that?). If everyone was getting 20 up, maybe I'll get upgraded to 40 Mbps.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

#38

This is nice, but with increased speed, they should also require ISPs do not impose a data cap to be considered broadband.

So that someone's grandma who hardly uses her connection can subsidize your extreme over-consumption of digital media?

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Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

#39

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Yes, for the same reason that roads used by daily drivers are subsidized by remote workers.

Ironically roads should also have caps and/or tolls, so this take is strange. This is partly why gas and excise tax is a thing…

The economy wide productivity gains from having tax funded roads mean it doesn’t make sense to have roads be profitable or break even as an individual entity.

Similar thing probably goes for internet access.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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once the infrastructure is there does each byte/gigabyte really have an intrinsic cost? isn't more about the bytes per second and not the bytes total ?

There’s more to running an isp than simply plumbing electricity.

sure, but is your 'profit' to be made in.. charging per byte consumed/sent? it just feels... gougey?

I had to live under an ISP that charged something on the order of $10+/GB after a certain amount and after they were forced to offer unlimited internet it was an actual breath of fresh air just to be able to use the internet and not worry about literally everything in the house, or if I could update my OS, or play this game, or watch this Netflix show, etc.

i'm honestly curious. why not a standard margin on your 'per second' allowances (100/100Mbps, etc) or other 'addon' services?

why should someone with a ring doorbell (or a homekit secure video whatever) be punished over someone who doesn't?

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