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Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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I'm baffled how posts related to Russian software always get politicized... Can't we just celebrate good free and open source software and leave politics out of it? Don't like who's behind it? Just fork it or don't use it at all!

Software is software, people are people and governments are governments. Stop mixing it all together, it's a hypocrites minefield. If you're feeling so righteous about the countries of who writes your software, just throw your computer out of the window.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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How are they hurting western businesses by releasing OSS? We already have LibreOffice. What is the point of your comment?

Sure, they are OSS but how do you know what goes into their binaries? Being open source does not imply that the binaries are not backdoored.

> Sure, they are OSS but how do you know what goes into their binaries? Being open source does not imply that the binaries are not backdoored.

Then build your own binaries. I'm sure the Russian government wouldn't struggle to do this.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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But every russian supports the war direct or indirect.

"If you're not with me you're against me"?

If someone sees a smorgasbord of heinous crimes [0] and doesn't speak out against it then them are supporting it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_inva...

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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None whatsoever, why should it?

Because security, embargos and fact that your customers probably won't like that at all.

Ah, being fined is a very good reason - "overcompliance" exists for a reason.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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I'm baffled how posts related to Russian software always get politicized... Can't we just celebrate good free and open source software and leave politics out of it? Don't like who's behind it? Just fork it or don't use it at all! Software is software, people are people and governments are governments. Stop mixing it all together, it's a hypocrites minefield. If you're feeling so righteous about the countries of who w…

> Software is software, people are people and governments are governments.

While that is true, it is also true, that people can easily be forced by bad acting governments to do things to the software they write.

We don't need to condemn the people in general, but we can still be wary of the product they make, while being in the influence zone of certain governments.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Almost all the Russians I know personally support the war. They aren’t some silly ‘90 years olds with Alzheimer’s’ crowd, most of them are software engineers. Some of them know I live in Ukraine, yet they tell me they will ‘liberate me soon.’ From my own free will, I suppose.

The ones I know all oppose the war. I suspect yours may be more representative though...

We cannot draw a legitimate statistics, as that could be our own bubble. But it’s incorrect to say an average Joe doesn’t support the war. Even those who oppose the war, do they do something? Or do they like ‘I don’t like it, but there’s nothing I can (want to) do.’

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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On the whole, the answer here is "not at all," or if anything, slightly increases the likelihood that I'll use it.

1) There's a difference between a government and people living in that country. If my country does something evil, that doesn't mean you should attack me (personally). The firebombing of Dresden by the allies in WWII is widely considered a war crime since it targeted civilians and killed many little children.

2) With sanctions on this war, I see two valid goals: (1) Regime change (2) Not funding / supporting the war. To be clear: Punishment of people in Russia is not a valid goal for sanctions.

3) With a country doing something evil, simply cutting off ties doesn't have much positive effect (see North Korea).

4) Attacking people simply polarizes them to hate you and supports Putin's message.

5) Even under sanctions, there are constructive ways of engagement. These generally center on communications and cultural engagement. Things like rock-and-roll, Disney, Coca Cola, McDonald's and blue jeans played a pretty significant role in the downfall of the Soviet Union. Trade helped open up China (it's not open, but it's a much freer, nicer place to live than 50 years ago, largely due to people doing business across borders).

My general conclusion here:

1) I don't think we should be buying anything from Russia. That provides money to support the war effort.

2) I don't think we should be exporting anything which can in any way be used to help build weapons (e.g. technology, raw materials, etc.).

3) I'm also on the more extreme end of sending more weapons to Ukraine (much more than we have been).

On the other hand, with Russia, I am fully in favor of scientific engagement (think blue whales and not radar research), educational engagement, cultural engagement, as well as things like open source.

Controversially, I'm also supportive of /selling/ luxury goods to Russia. I don't think it supports the regime in any appreciable way, and a Gucci handbag won't help the war effort. It does bring in Western culture and leads to capital outflow.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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I'm literally answering a comment claiming the US has never done anything of the like.

It's not whataboutism to bring up a counterexample in this case and calling it such is nothing less than jingoist propaganda.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Comparing America to a nation engaging in an invasion is a bit far fetched. Not saying the US has a clean sheet but it's still a land of freedom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_Unit... It's an entire category.

Half of the articles in the category are WWII campaigns.
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