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OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by seabass-labrax »

cube2222 wrote: post #150
seabass-labrax wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm impressed by the speed at which you've forked the project and brought up the new technical infrastructure. You mention that you are 'interim tech lead'; what does interim mean in this context, and what is the governance structure for future leadership (and presumably your replacement)? Will OpenTofu have a self-selecting board? Or will it be democratic by vote, and if so, have suffrage by membership, participatio…

Thanks for the kind words! The initiative will have a steering committee composed of individuals from the main backing and involved companies and projects. As interim technical lead I'm mostly responsible for the technical side of things and getting the project up and running in this first phase. This also includes the feature development process and similar things. Interim means "until we figure out the exact detail…

I appreciate the detailed response; thank you! It is wonderful that the governance structure is being thought out early. The best of luck to you and your colleagues in this endeavour!

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by lost_tourist »

yyyk wrote: post #29

The new branding is recognizable, cute and short. However, Tofu has a somewhat mixed reputation. I guess OpenTofu can stand on its own though.

It's a fine name in my estimation! tofu is good stuff, even the most antivegan person has to admit that it's nutritious and healthy

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by da39a3ee »

The criticism of hashicorp seems childish. Why shouldn't they restrict the way in which companies make money from their inventions as they see fit? There's a lot of thoughtless entitlement among some of the attitudes being expressed in this debate.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by Zambyte »

Mashimo wrote: post #67

The link and github does not tell much what OpenTofu is. So I opened the official website. Again very hard to find out what it actually is. Goals and why it was created, and a hundred times that it's a fork of another product. But still does not explain what it is or does. I had to open the website of what it was forked from.

The name doesn't help much either. I was expecting something related to Trust On First Use authentication[0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_on_first_use

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

swores wrote: post #121
ceddiexd wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tofu is great, just misused as a meat alternative. The Chinese and Japanese don’t use it as a meat alternative (dishes like mapo tofu and agedashi tofu contain both meat/fish and tofu), they use it to provide textural support and contrast to rich, full-flavoured dishes. If the negative association you have is because of its use in organic kale tofu salads and the like, that’s not exactly tofu’s problem.

It's not tofu's fault, but it kind of is tofu's problem imo, since it seems to be a common view. Until a couple of years ago I had pretty much the same view as GP, that tofu was bland with an unpleasant texture and I couldn't imagine anyone eating it for pleasure - based on my experiences of how it was cooked/served by restaurants and friends here in England. Eventually I tried a tofu dish while sharing plates with a…

I think the reputation of tofu as bland is not dissimilar to people claiming to dislike veggies as bitter.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by LtWorf »

notpushkin wrote: post #137
ghaff wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AGPL is seen as a no-go by most companies. It's viewed as risky because the obligations associated with it are often unclear.

Surely those companies can pay for an alternative license then?

I get regularly harassed for having dared to publish a library under GPL license.

Developers are so entitled, they don't even ever reflect they are taking without giving back all the time.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by benterix »

emptysongglass wrote: post #87
echelon wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dismantling of HashiCorp because they tried to save themselves from Amazon swallowing them is sad. Open Source businesses have no future in a world where big tech can gulp your product for free. The OpenTofu folks will probably even raise capital to support commercialization of their thing at some point.

I generally like your takes but this one isn't very good since it wasn't Amazon that was the threat. HashiCorp couldn't compete. Their enterprise offerings were bad and their price quotes were insane and unrealistic. I worked at two companies who rejected them because their pricing was so ludicrous. The TACoS space of small startups nimbly out-competed these bad offerings. Rent-seeking because you weren't able to com…

> Their enterprise offerings were bad and their price quotes were insane and unrealistic.

To clarify: the products themselves were and still are very good, with minor quirks.

As for pricing, there is a class of companies that set extremely high margins (this doesn't apply just to Hashicorp, see the the pricing of Gruntwork which I believe contributes to OpenTofu). This game reduces the number of customers but also the number of problems you need to deal with. This strategy is perfectly fine and I have no complaints - I built my own HA Vault cluster solution and used remote AWS backend instead of Hashicorp Cloud. But the license change was a game changer - Hashicorp is still a strong player in the market, but no longer the default choice.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by fishnchips »

da39a3ee wrote: post #164

The criticism of hashicorp seems childish. Why shouldn't they restrict the way in which companies make money from their inventions as they see fit? There's a lot of thoughtless entitlement among some of the attitudes being expressed in this debate.

I think at this point we exhausted arguments on both sides of the debate. I think that agreeing to disagree and moving on is a better alternative to competing on ad hominems.
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