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Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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When I was in 8th grade, one of my teachers was out sick, and the principal took over the class for the day. He talked about frames of reference. To illustrate the point, he asked if we had seen the movie, E.T. Of course, we all had. It was the Star Wars-level blockbuster of the summer of 1982. He asked if we remembered the bus scene. None of us could. "You know, 'Uranus?'" Oh, right. Yes, we all remembered that line. Then he asked us if we could remember what any of the other kids were doing. Nope. They were standing, yelling, throwing things, and generally being disruptive. He said, as a principal, this anarchy on a school bus horrified him. It never even registered with us.

This lesson continues to reverberate with me over 40 years later.

People on this site "govern" our computers and devices as much as we can, so when these things happen, they stick out like a sore thumb, and we set about stopping it from happening again. Even after 30 years of "being on the internet," I am RUTHLESS about spam. When one shows up in my inbox, I deal with it, so that, by and large, every email that comes through is of interest and needs my attention.

The people who use Windows for any more than gaming (and a lot of them, too) are the kind of people that have 10,000 unread emails in their inbox, all of which are spam for services and offers they agreed to be spammed by, because they couldn't be bothered to at least tick the opt-out box (which only works half the time anyway). When the vast majority of these users see a popup like this, they simply click the button to dismiss it, just like hundreds other digital annoyances they put up with all day long, which they do not understand, and which they do not know how to turn off.

It doesn't matter that we get upset about this. It's already been proven several times over that we cannot influence this situation. The economics just don't matter to Microsoft. I have to conclude that the size of the "power user"/developer community on Windows is dwarfed by the rest. The only surprise here is that The Verge wrote a piece that is overtly negative about Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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I think you mistake gamers and normal consumers who do have a choice. Maybe they don't want to pay more for Mac, and that's the only leverage. If they don't play games, they lose nothing.

I don’t think I am? I specifically mention that I know very few people outside of gamers that have a computer. So I feel like most normal consumers have already made that choice and they don’t need windows or Mac.

What do they do with just a phone...?

Are students just using ipads these days? I guess I'm getting (am?) old. Without a general purpose computing device in the home, my life would have been radically different.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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This is much more invasive than Google’s banner on search (and kind of everything they make) pushing to instal Chrome.

And way worse than MacOS’ occasional prompt to switch to safari that I think happens once per version upgrade and is just a typical modal prompt.

Microsoft acts like their OS is free. I paid $120 for this stuff.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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All the HN MS/Google bashing when it's not clear in the article what caused the popup. Who knows what the person's got running in their systray, what gaming apps are all tied into the browser engine and triggering the popups etc.... It's not as clear cut as "MS is throwing crap at you". I've got multiple installs of Windows 11 going, which I only did minimal pref settings to eliminate default search toolbars, and not…

That’s my experience too. I run all Windows here and I stay on the happy path. I did turn off a few options in control panel to reduce some UI clutter, but nothing has been hacked away. I run Pro and use an outlook.com login to sync settings. I don’t see any of these ads or pop ups.

This is mostly fud here.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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I became a new MacOS user when the M1 was released. One thing I really like is that it's so much more similar to Linux than Windows. Many of my favourite Linux server tools also run on Mac. They're either included or are a "brew install x" away. Everything from cron to nginx (for local web dev) works like a charm. Combine this with the extreme ease of doing office-type work on a Macbook: Excel works, printing / scann…

people can't manage to block "malware" on a Windows system but somehow manage to use a dev tools? and the idea that a Mac costs the same or less as a dell/hp is ludicrous. the cheapest MacBook air is $1000, while a Windows laptop is $500. sorry to destroy your ideology but at least be honest and say I prefer a Mac and can afford it suck windows can pound sand.

Equivalent hardware. $500 does not buy you a Mac Air level laptop.

And I am talking about power users, not the hypothetical grandma. Although grandma is ALSO better served by a Macbook.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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I became a new MacOS user when the M1 was released. One thing I really like is that it's so much more similar to Linux than Windows. Many of my favourite Linux server tools also run on Mac. They're either included or are a "brew install x" away. Everything from cron to nginx (for local web dev) works like a charm. Combine this with the extreme ease of doing office-type work on a Macbook: Excel works, printing / scann…

Every time I click the play button on my keyboard, Apple Music launches and asks if I want to start a subscription. There's no (normal) way to make it so that play will launch, or even reliably play, Spotify. MacOS is covered in non-removable Apple adware like this but somehow always gets a pass. ... yes apparently I can install an app that force quits Music every time it launches, or I can modify system permissions,…

That's odd, I just tried mine and it controls VLC just fine.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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I want so badly be a big fan of WSL, but I just can't, I'm hitting too many issues for it to be productive and I had to jump back into a proper Linux environment... > But they make it really hard to rely on. From random shutdowns, GPU unreliability to data corruption and performance differences with just using Linux directly, I had to move away from it and back to Linux because I felt like I slowly losing my mind tro…

Yeah I don't understand the love for WSL. Within the first couple weeks of using it, I've run into * Time doesn't stay in sync after sleeping, which breaks package updating. * It doesn't get the DNS servers it should from DHCP, so you have to go manually edit /etc/resolv.conf * The filesystem is super slow, and git commands take multiple seconds. All stuff that can be worked around, but I don't have to deal with this…

The problem I see most often is that WSL causes processor stalls in my other VMs, I'm not sure if it's intentional to force you to use WSL or the Hyper-V VM subsystem exclusively, if it is I can't see how it's a wise move.

Enabling Hyper-V also meant that virtualbox completely lost the ability to have a clock that ran properly - each VM was seeing the hardware timer out by 3 seconds every minute, and thus the only fix there was to run ntp every minute. vmware wasn't affected somehow.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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post #60

Microsoft really needs to take a real hard look at Windows and figure out what its place is in the world. I know very few people outside of gamers that have a full computer outside of one given for work. This is one of the many reasons that my windows computer is solely for gaming (and I use a debloated Windows 10 LTS install) and never has anything sensitive on it. Any general computing tasks happen on my Mac. I wou…

> Microsoft really needs to take a real hard look at Windows and figure out what its place is in the world.

But they did! It's the thing that the browser runs on. And since ads in the browser belong to Google and Facebook, MS has only the OS and their own apps left to cash in on ads. /s

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