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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by consumer451 »

prawn wrote: post #46
anon7331 wrote: post #34

She speaks the truth often, but I never really got how she portrays herself. Not a huge fan... regardless, she should be able to say whatever she wants and use the platform she built.

Last year on HN, I wondered publicly if it was body dysmorphia and she replied "Yes, it is something like that." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30100041

> Last year on HN, I wondered publicly if it was body dysmorphia and she replied "Yes, it is something like that."

>> Wu was raised as a boy due to the one-child policy in China at the time. She remembers wanting to look like the beautiful ladies who were mistresses of Hong Kong businessmen. She discovered her own gender and sexual identity when she was a teenager. She identifies as a dee lesbian.

Emphasis above is mine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Wu

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by chpatrick »

nradov wrote: post #154
skjksjgskjb wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes. do you believe the ussr perpetrated anything on the magnitude of the holocaust?

The USSR perpetuated the Great Purge and the Holodomor, which together killed approximately 5M people (estimates vary). This is a matter of historical fact, not just belief.

Not to mention half a century of repression and misery across the eastern bloc, often including straight up genocide.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by Chris2048 »

paleface wrote: post #101
reducesuffering wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re refuting her being a Western journalist because of her ethnicity? She’s been in the US since she was 3 years old, raised Southern Baptist, attended Ivies, and is a US citizen…

I’m providing context, to the parent comment. My reasoning is multi faceted. You’re welcome to read whatever you like, into why I provided the aforementioned context - but it’s probable, you’d be wrong. > […] and is a US citizen […] From 2017, according to Wikipedia. I’ve been following the rise of Naomi Wu, for a long time. I’ve seen her skills, and abilities, called into question by Dale Dougherty, of Make Media/Ma…

> I’ve seen her skills, and abilities, called into question by Dale Dougherty, of Make Media/Magazine - simply because she was a woman..

Did he say that? because many have said the same for other reasons.

> they went so far as to claim, there was a hidden man/husband, controlling her, behind the scenes

They did. Any refutation, beyond moral outrage?

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by Chris2048 »

reducesuffering wrote: post #148
mcpackieh wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A South Korean working for an American media organization, specifically called out as western, is a western journalist as I see it. The term "Western" is imprecise and should usually be avoided for this reason, but South Korea itself is often ranked among the Western nations in the economic and geopolitical alignment senses of the term. And it's fair to say that any journalist working for an American media organizati…

> Mentioning that somebody is from South Korea does not constitute a refutation of that person being a western journalist I don't understand other peoples' denial of the intent with GP's comment. GP specifically quoted the sentence that ended with "Western journalist" and followed that with "South Korean journalist", as an implied correction, when that journalist's South Korean birthplace could hardly be any consider…

> that journalist's South Korean birthplace could hardly be any consideration into her journalism

Self-identity can absolutely be relevant, especially if there is a history of anti-white racism.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by pawelmurias »

opportune wrote: post #118
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #21

It's depressing how many Americans and Europeans seem utterly allergic to any kind of nuanced discussion or deeper understanding of China. I think the same applies to the former USSR. I'm not sure why this is.

The problem is that the pro-China position almost always comes either from an outsider (who isn’t really credible) or an insider (who is scared of giving even meek criticism or caveated opinions). There are not really insiders willing to offer those nuanced opinions. Instead it’s up to the rest of the world to figure out what’s true and what’s not, what’s omitted, how to reconcile the two differing opinions, but with…

From the things people liked post-communism countries you forgot the most important ones like older people liking having been young and also all material things being universally shit rather then some people having better things afterwards.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

consumer451 wrote: post #155
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #122

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Her account is fine. She has to stop tweeting. You guys need to get a grip. As if the Chinese government needs Musks help.

I was thinking tweets about her or CCP oppression in general, not necessarily from her. There is plenty of proof out there showing that Musk has his fingers on the scales. Citations can be provided upon request.

Just search for "Naomi Wu" on Twitter. There's plenty of people Tweeting about how she was silenced. You can find all sorts of China critical tweets. Uyghurs, Peng Shui. Take your pick.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by gedy »

consumer451 wrote: post #7
anigbrowl wrote: post #2

I'm appalled that I'm only finding out about this now.

Am I being paranoid in thinking that Musk’s exposure in China & disdain for the LGBTQ community could lead him to lower the reach of tweets related to this issue?

> Musk’s ... disdain for the LGBTQ community

I'm not a Musk fan, but what are you referring to?

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by ajross »

tbrownaw wrote: post #69
ajross wrote: post #54

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No, this is just censorship. The government showed up and told her to stop saying stuff, so she did. The problem is that the word has been diluted in contemporary usage. Almost everything that people call "censorship" in the discourse mostly amounts to "People disagree with me and I don't liek that", or occasionally "I got banned on so I'm yelling about it on ". This is what actual censorship looks like.

Censorship is not solely its most extreme form. Getting banned from your favorite baseball forum because you keep talking about hockey does in fact count, even if it's relatively minor and most people would even agree with it.

> Getting banned from your favorite baseball forum because you keep talking about hockey does in fact count, even if it's relatively minor and most people would even agree with it.

Fine. But then what word do you use for repressive coercion of speech by governments? I'm no linguistic purist. I get that words change their meanings over time.

What I was complaining about were people (1) using the word to imply terrible behavior on the part of some imagined enemy while (2) citing irrelevant nonsense evidence, as in your example. That's not a semantic argument, that's just lying.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by zer8k »

cwkoss wrote: post #146
monksy wrote: post #143

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Yep that's the one. I deleted my account after the takeover by Musk. That was quite a while ago. You're right, apparently she didn't say mansplaining, at least in that tweet she didn't (not sure about the others I can't see the full statement anymore). But the conversation we had was incredibly insulting to me, she ended up quote tweeting me to amplify her attack, and blocked me. It was super weird to have a disjoint…

> she doesn't seem to understand prioritization/feature cutting by businesses I think this is an incredibly patronizing perspective. She works/worked as a software developer for many years. Instructables used to support Chinese characters, and someone made a decision that broke that support and it got pushed to prod. (Did someone change the text encoding of UGC and migrate the DB without thinking about other language…

> Instructables used to support Chinese characters, and someone made a decision that broke that support and it got pushed to prod. (Did someone change the text encoding of UGC and migrate the DB without thinking about other languages?!) At best it was the result of incompetence and apathy.

Or alternatively, something somewhere was not built to design UTF-8 (since, you know, its an actual hard problem) and it was a short term "get this out the door before tonight" solution. Which having been in the industry long enough at this point is probably the most likely reason. Not some unfounded "hate" for Chinese people. Wu's rant is unhinged and insulting. It's so typical of online discussion to immediately go to "-splaining", "-ism", "-phobia" the second something happens someone doesn't like. To ice the cake she even talks about "tech bros" (the implied tone being white men).

> I bet her tweets played some role in getting that fixed.

Being a crybully is a not a virtue. I found this part the most hilarious:

> If a CAD company gets tagged by one of the largest digital fabrication accounts on Twitter, and doesn't respond? That is your answer.

Sounds a lot like "silence is violence". Another laughable term used to crybully people. Unhinged thirst trap is completely unable to understand how tech orgs actually work. News at 11.

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