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Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by willcipriano »

esperent wrote: post #123
kelnos wrote: post #103

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I still use melatonin on occasion. When I first learned about it, I tried the 10mg version, and it never did anything for me. Years ago I read about 0.3mg being the correct dose, and gave that a try. I don't take it every night, but when I do, I sleep much better, and for longer without waking up. The main annoying thing about it is that you really need to take it a few hours before you go to sleep. So it's not somet…

I take 3mg most nights and find it's an very effective asleep aid. I've tried breaking up the tablets to take around 1 to 0.5g but I don't feel like it does anything. Of course, this is purely anecdotal and it may well be placebo. But it works and as someone who often struggles with sleep I'm not gonna complain when I find something that helps, placebo or not. At worst, it's far less harmful than drugs, and at best,…

Really depends on body weight I imagine.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by r00fus »

Just reading through this - if I were a producer or distributor of food I'd suddenly be thinking about not only preventing food waste, but simply extending food storage times.

This could mean a lot more profit for large food corporations.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by Xorakios »

baggy_trough wrote: post #157
kelnos wrote: post #113

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The problem is that capitalism drives people to push lies as fact, and manipulate people into believing those lies. "Well maybe people just shouldn't be so gullible" clearly isn't a solution, or the problem would be solved already. I don't think that's an excuse to start banning books (and other media), but products like this -- especially anything that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicin…

I think your proposed cure is far worse than the disease. It would have a profound chilling effect on free speech.

Agreed.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by wnevets »

hunson_abadeer wrote: post #136
wnevets wrote: post #93

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> It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. You can thank Mel Gibson and industry lobbying [1][2]. [1] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/supplements-a... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV2olDA0w8U

> You can thank Mel Gibson and industry lobbying Why do we always need a boogeyman? Melatonin appears nearly harmless. Isn't it strange that we've grown so accustomed to so many things being restricted that we're taken aback by this sliver of medical self-determination, and we publish hard-hitting investigative pieces about how supposedly terrible that is? I get it that we maybe don't want to go back to the era of "p…

> Melatonin appears nearly harmless.

Does it? We really haven't done enough science on it.

> Melatonin has been linked to headaches, dizziness, nausea, stomach cramps, drowsiness, confusion or disorientation, irritability and mild anxiety, depression and tremors as well as abnormally low blood pressure. It can also interact with common medications and trigger allergies. [1]

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/01/health/melatonin-overuse-well...

I've personally stopped using it because of how it started to make me feel. "Brain fog" was not uncommon, not to mention the lack of quality control of the dosage amounts on a pill to pill basis.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by smellyshaft1 »

kelnos wrote: post #113
baggy_trough wrote: post #56

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Yes, the absolute mind boggling horror of free people being able to decide for themselves what to ingest.

The problem is that capitalism drives people to push lies as fact, and manipulate people into believing those lies. "Well maybe people just shouldn't be so gullible" clearly isn't a solution, or the problem would be solved already. I don't think that's an excuse to start banning books (and other media), but products like this -- especially anything that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicin…

Uh, capitalism does that?

Capitalism is responsible for a lot of evils in the world but it is not the root cause of people lying.

>especially anything that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicine -- should be vetted by actual experts (more than one), and stores should be required to post disclaimers when the product doesn't pass muster.

No thanks to the nanny warning. I've reading plenty of books on alternative medicine and without exception they all have a warning along these lines:

"The medical information contained within is provided as an information resource only, and is not to be used or relied on for any diagnostic or treatment purposes. This information does not create any patient-physician relationship, and should not be used as a substitute for professional diagnosis and treatment. Please consult your health care provider before making any health care decisions or for guidance about a specific medical condition."

An additional sign is not necessary IMO. We're grown adults.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by cobaltoxide »

a13n wrote: post #160
kelnos wrote: post #103

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I still use melatonin on occasion. When I first learned about it, I tried the 10mg version, and it never did anything for me. Years ago I read about 0.3mg being the correct dose, and gave that a try. I don't take it every night, but when I do, I sleep much better, and for longer without waking up. The main annoying thing about it is that you really need to take it a few hours before you go to sleep. So it's not somet…

I’ve found if I chew the pill into a fine powder and let it dissolve under your tongue, then I consistently fall asleep in 15-20 mins. Definitely makes sense that absorption is faster than simply taking orally.

You should be able to fall asleep in less than 15-20 minutes without using melatonin as well.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by smellyshaft1 »

maksimur wrote: post #57
amelius wrote: post #49

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And what to think of this book, where the author literally persuades people to megadose on the hormone: https://www.amazon.com/Melatonin-Transform-Melatonin-resilie... It's mindboggling that this is freely available.

That book screams things such as conspiracy, pseudoscience, crazy guy, cult leader and anything in between, to me.

Well, you read the random summary and not the actual book so you're the expert here.

Any eye catching news headlines you would like to share?

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by esperent »

willcipriano wrote: post #161
esperent wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take 3mg most nights and find it's an very effective asleep aid. I've tried breaking up the tablets to take around 1 to 0.5g but I don't feel like it does anything. Of course, this is purely anecdotal and it may well be placebo. But it works and as someone who often struggles with sleep I'm not gonna complain when I find something that helps, placebo or not. At worst, it's far less harmful than drugs, and at best,…

Really depends on body weight I imagine.

Not enough to account for 0.3mg vs 3mg. Unless I weighed 500kg or something. Which I don't, quite.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by n4te »

willcipriano wrote: post #161
esperent wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take 3mg most nights and find it's an very effective asleep aid. I've tried breaking up the tablets to take around 1 to 0.5g but I don't feel like it does anything. Of course, this is purely anecdotal and it may well be placebo. But it works and as someone who often struggles with sleep I'm not gonna complain when I find something that helps, placebo or not. At worst, it's far less harmful than drugs, and at best,…

Really depends on body weight I imagine.

Many brain affecting substances don't depend on body weight.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by n4te »

RheingoldRiver wrote: post #122
kelnos wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still use melatonin on occasion. When I first learned about it, I tried the 10mg version, and it never did anything for me. Years ago I read about 0.3mg being the correct dose, and gave that a try. I don't take it every night, but when I do, I sleep much better, and for longer without waking up. The main annoying thing about it is that you really need to take it a few hours before you go to sleep. So it's not somet…

This is 0.3 and not 3 right? I just checked and my pills are 3mg. If it's supposed to be 0.3 I will buy a new bottle immediately and see if it improves my sleep. 100% agree about taking it early, I get a bit of an "omg I'm sleepy" effect immediately, but I'm pretty sure it's placebo, I have to take it about 1-2 hours before I want to sleep. But it's still not super effective on its own.

0.3mg is right. I recommend get dissolving 1mg tablets, just break them into rough thirds. Dissolve under the tongue 15 minutes before sleep.
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