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Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

maltyr wrote: post #5

I'm not sure we should cover our food in melatonin. People would recoil at the thought of pretty much any other hormone being added to our food supply. It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. The article suggests it's safer than current food additives, but I find that statement questionable. We don't understand the full effect of Melatonin on the human body…

Because it doesn't do much. The extremely incorrect overdoses of it found in common products often lead to worse sleep and next day drowsiness, making it an unpleasant experience. Even used in correct, very low dosages the impact is low.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/E4cKD9iTWHaE7f3AJ/melatonin-...

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by BaculumMeumEst »

RheingoldRiver wrote: post #122
kelnos wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still use melatonin on occasion. When I first learned about it, I tried the 10mg version, and it never did anything for me. Years ago I read about 0.3mg being the correct dose, and gave that a try. I don't take it every night, but when I do, I sleep much better, and for longer without waking up. The main annoying thing about it is that you really need to take it a few hours before you go to sleep. So it's not somet…

This is 0.3 and not 3 right? I just checked and my pills are 3mg. If it's supposed to be 0.3 I will buy a new bottle immediately and see if it improves my sleep. 100% agree about taking it early, I get a bit of an "omg I'm sleepy" effect immediately, but I'm pretty sure it's placebo, I have to take it about 1-2 hours before I want to sleep. But it's still not super effective on its own.

it's not a placebo, that's how it works. you get a small window to ride that effect to sleep.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by Buttons840 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #86
maltyr wrote: post #5

I'm not sure we should cover our food in melatonin. People would recoil at the thought of pretty much any other hormone being added to our food supply. It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. The article suggests it's safer than current food additives, but I find that statement questionable. We don't understand the full effect of Melatonin on the human body…

I think it was here, where I read that the optimal dosage for melatonin was 0.3 mg (300 micrograms). The smallest OTC dosage you can get, is 1mg, and they sell 10mg pills. When I switched from 10mg to 0.3mg, my sleep improved drastically . Also, I stopped getting those really weird dreams. But I don't like taking stuff, and ended up stopping completely, a long time ago.

I took 13 mg every night for a few months after hearing it might help with acid reflux and I was desperate. I personally didn't suffer any effects or withdrawals from it, but remember you may be different and be careful. I eventually learned that, yeah, 0.3 mg is a good dose, so now I buy 1 mg pills, bite off an edge, and throw the majority of the pill away, and I was surprised to see it works just as well (on the rare occasion I take some these days).

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by piuantiderp »

jimbobimbo wrote: post #128

Upper dose for melatonin has not been established, generally considered safe. https://ajac.substack.com/p/melatonin for references. I'm on 40mg every night, gives me deep restful sleep.

That's pretty high, I would not risk it due to the slight correlation with dementia later on.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by dylan604 »

maltyr wrote: post #5

I'm not sure we should cover our food in melatonin. People would recoil at the thought of pretty much any other hormone being added to our food supply. It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. The article suggests it's safer than current food additives, but I find that statement questionable. We don't understand the full effect of Melatonin on the human body…

It sounds like the stuff a conspiracy group would be able to make a lot of noise with like fluoride in the water and mercury in vaccines.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by eurleif »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #86
maltyr wrote: post #5

I'm not sure we should cover our food in melatonin. People would recoil at the thought of pretty much any other hormone being added to our food supply. It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. The article suggests it's safer than current food additives, but I find that statement questionable. We don't understand the full effect of Melatonin on the human body…

I think it was here, where I read that the optimal dosage for melatonin was 0.3 mg (300 micrograms). The smallest OTC dosage you can get, is 1mg, and they sell 10mg pills. When I switched from 10mg to 0.3mg, my sleep improved drastically . Also, I stopped getting those really weird dreams. But I don't like taking stuff, and ended up stopping completely, a long time ago.

>The smallest OTC dosage you can get, is 1mg

There are 0.3mg pills available, for example: https://www.amazon.com/Life-Extension-Melatonin-300-Capsules...

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by baggy_trough »

kelnos wrote: post #113
baggy_trough wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the absolute mind boggling horror of free people being able to decide for themselves what to ingest.

The problem is that capitalism drives people to push lies as fact, and manipulate people into believing those lies. "Well maybe people just shouldn't be so gullible" clearly isn't a solution, or the problem would be solved already. I don't think that's an excuse to start banning books (and other media), but products like this -- especially anything that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicin…

I think your proposed cure is far worse than the disease. It would have a profound chilling effect on free speech.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by callalex »

denverllc wrote: post #95

Speaking of fruit preservation: has anyone bought prepacked/sliced fruit from the grocery store / Costco that has an "off" flavor to it? Almost like they added some preservative. (The different fruit had the same flavor, which makes me think something was added). I have, and nothing was on the ingredients, so I am wondering what could have been added.

Powdered citric acid or liquid lemon juice is a common and harmless preservative.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by r00fus »

Buttons840 wrote: post #153
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was here, where I read that the optimal dosage for melatonin was 0.3 mg (300 micrograms). The smallest OTC dosage you can get, is 1mg, and they sell 10mg pills. When I switched from 10mg to 0.3mg, my sleep improved drastically . Also, I stopped getting those really weird dreams. But I don't like taking stuff, and ended up stopping completely, a long time ago.

I took 13 mg every night for a few months after hearing it might help with acid reflux and I was desperate. I personally didn't suffer any effects or withdrawals from it, but remember you may be different and be careful. I eventually learned that, yeah, 0.3 mg is a good dose, so now I buy 1 mg pills, bite off an edge, and throw the majority of the pill away, and I was surprised to see it works just as well (on the ra…

Why not just cut them? https://www.dontwasteyourmoney.com/best-pill-cutters/

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by a13n »

kelnos wrote: post #103
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was here, where I read that the optimal dosage for melatonin was 0.3 mg (300 micrograms). The smallest OTC dosage you can get, is 1mg, and they sell 10mg pills. When I switched from 10mg to 0.3mg, my sleep improved drastically . Also, I stopped getting those really weird dreams. But I don't like taking stuff, and ended up stopping completely, a long time ago.

I still use melatonin on occasion. When I first learned about it, I tried the 10mg version, and it never did anything for me. Years ago I read about 0.3mg being the correct dose, and gave that a try. I don't take it every night, but when I do, I sleep much better, and for longer without waking up. The main annoying thing about it is that you really need to take it a few hours before you go to sleep. So it's not somet…

I’ve found if I chew the pill into a fine powder and let it dissolve under your tongue, then I consistently fall asleep in 15-20 mins.

Definitely makes sense that absorption is faster than simply taking orally.

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