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Re: LazyVim

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Post by thenoblesunfish »

noud wrote: post #132

Am I the only one using vanilla vim with a minimal configuration file ( Very easy to setup. Moreover, when I'm on a different computer and open (vanilla) vim without any configurations. I know that everything is more or less the same as my default vim environment. I think it's not that hard to learn developing in the default vim environment, with some minor tweaks. Also related, How to Do 90% of What Plugins Do (With…

Not at all. This boring answer is very useful for general use. I have some fun plugins that have been useful (YouCompleteMe was helpful for C development) but they break and I don't notice. But at work someome else maintains an IDE for me, so I use that.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by divbzero »

p-e-w wrote: post #148
divbzero wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was that expressly written to parody Vim? If so, this line is particularly spot on: > 'left' actually means right

> Was that expressly written to parody Vim? Yes. The advice to turn the yoke upside down is supposed to reference remapping Caps Lock to Escape, without which Vim destroys your pinky on a standard keyboard. But it's the choice of professionals, so what can we do?

Nice, I didn’t pick up on that one. And I do have Caps Lock mapped to remapped to Escape haha.

If any vim enthusiasts haven’t read this history before, this article [1] provides a good overview of how ex/vi came to be. The photo of the Lear Siegler ADM-3A keyboard used by Bill Joy largely explains the odd choice of keys.

[1]: https://twobithistory.org/2018/08/05/where-vim-came-from.htm...

Re: LazyVim

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Post by stavros »

p-e-w wrote: post #148
divbzero wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was that expressly written to parody Vim? If so, this line is particularly spot on: > 'left' actually means right

> Was that expressly written to parody Vim? Yes. The advice to turn the yoke upside down is supposed to reference remapping Caps Lock to Escape, without which Vim destroys your pinky on a standard keyboard. But it's the choice of professionals, so what can we do?

But remapping Caps Lock to a combination Ctrl/Esc is so convenient, regardless of Vim!

Re: LazyVim

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

noud wrote: post #132

Am I the only one using vanilla vim with a minimal configuration file ( Very easy to setup. Moreover, when I'm on a different computer and open (vanilla) vim without any configurations. I know that everything is more or less the same as my default vim environment. I think it's not that hard to learn developing in the default vim environment, with some minor tweaks. Also related, How to Do 90% of What Plugins Do (With…

There is always people coming over from established purpose made IDEs who want to test to waters and bare vim is pretty feature parse out of the box, so these huge plugin & configuration monoliths offer easy stepping stone into vim.

Of course with these packages you are trading flexibility for features and you are inheriting ways of working from someone stranger, but it is not that much different than using any IDE. While this offers a nice(r) gate into vim-ming it does kind a miss the biggest perk of using vim - which is molding it to your exact needs and preferences, but that is not something you will do over night. I have been in both camps. I have installed way too many plugins and then gone to very sparse configuration. I think with NeoVim I have found somewhat of a balance, but I think reworking your vim config is a natural thing every five years or so. We grow as people and developers and our needs change and the tools evolve.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by p-e-w »

dcow wrote: post #146
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I cant stand VSCode anymore after using Zed[1]. I mean it was always clunky but there weren't better options. Now there is. 1: https://zed.dev Edit: I did use Helix for awhile (long enough to still have muscle memory for their editing model) but it’s just not there yet and eventually moved on to Zed.

I love the concept and engineering behind Zed, but considering how software startups tend to fare, there's just no way I'm going to mentally invest in a closed source dev environment.

Even if they succeed commercially, chances are some day Microsoft just buys the whole thing and shuts development down a week later. No thanks.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by stefncb »

noud wrote: post #132

Am I the only one using vanilla vim with a minimal configuration file ( Very easy to setup. Moreover, when I'm on a different computer and open (vanilla) vim without any configurations. I know that everything is more or less the same as my default vim environment. I think it's not that hard to learn developing in the default vim environment, with some minor tweaks. Also related, How to Do 90% of What Plugins Do (With…

You're not, mine is only 10 lines and no plugins.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by konart »

marricks wrote: post #155
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, I don't think vim is meant to be an IDE. If you want an IDE, go get an IDE. If you want a text editor, vim works well. But vscode is unwieldy as a text editor, and vim is painful to contort into an IDE.

Exactly this. Don't blame the airplane for not being a car, or a submarine for being a beach buggy. Obviously people have made things for VIM to be IDE like, some are cool to me, but completion-integrations-lang-servers always seemed so anti-vim to me. Make an HTTP request every key stroke to get suggestions? The. Latency.

VSCode does the same. And it has nothing to do with HTTP (not by default at least).

Re: LazyVim

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Post by mgdlbp »

p-e-w wrote: post #87
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

> Canada ... out of fuel

Referencing the Gimli glider. But does vim have any analogous issue? In matters of technical correctness FOSS is usually the more exacting. You won't find a 1 TB hard drive full at 931 GB of used space on Linux, for example.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by quickthrower2 »

p-e-w wrote: post #87
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

Are we talking about Gyrocopters here?
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