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Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Post by dantaro » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:42 PM UTC

piaste wrote: post #140

> There are some Asus laptops that seem like they'd fit the bill, but they're just so clunky and large, which gets in the way of the portable dream. Does anyone know which laptops Devin is referring to? I'm one of those odd guys who love big laptops (I've used 17” models for over a decade now) and I don't care about the weight at all. But I'd love it if I could trade some of those models' performance for more battery…

Hey there! I don't remember what laptop I was specifically thinking of when I wrote that (Apologies, I started writing this back in February and got distracted for a number of months) but there is a non-zero chance I was thinking about the Asus ZenBook Pro Duo. Sorry I can't be more specific about past me's thought process :(

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Post by volf_ » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 9:02 PM UTC

sidkshatriya wrote: post #154

volf_ wrote: post #151

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Funny. Just upgraded to 6.4.1 and got another hour of battery life.

What about virtualization? Can you run qemu/firecracker on the system?

There does not appear to be hardware virtualization support, so those would work but you'd be using software virtualization which will be slower.

I'll try running firecracker later and see if it'll boot.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Post by sidkshatriya » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 9:20 PM UTC

volf_ wrote: post #162

sidkshatriya wrote: post #154

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What about virtualization? Can you run qemu/firecracker on the system?

There does not appear to be hardware virtualization support, so those would work but you'd be using software virtualization which will be slower. I'll try running firecracker later and see if it'll boot.

Yes, I was hoping that kvm with qemu works by now. If kvm support is not enabled, it is not likely that firecracker would work either..

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Post by dantaro » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 10:30 PM UTC

csdvrx wrote: post #90

dantaro wrote: post #78

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Hey there, author here, for me personally it's about the windowing and file explorer. I spent 6 months trying to get used to it at a job, and even bought a M1 Macbook Pro last year to try, but I just couldn't find any combination of plugins and programs that made it feel right. I know, it's not a great reason, and I have no hate for anyone who yums my yuck, but at the end of the day it's what stops me from using MacO…

BTW you said " I don't have the 5G enabled version as it wasn't available when I bought mine, which I do regret, but if it's even half as good as it is on the SPX then it'll be totally fine. " If you want to help to make 5G work, get in touch. I'd need to know if you have internal WWAN antennas- if not, you can add them. It's just about installing a M2 module. At the same time, you can replace the current 512G NVMe b…

Hey, that's be really interesting to see. I haven't opened up my x13s yet, but I'll do that soon. In the middle of a move, so I'm not sure what box the tools are in, but once I find them I'll let you know :)

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 1:23 AM UTC

csdvrx wrote: post #91

tracker1 wrote: post #88

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I'm not big on touch myself. As for lte, usually just tether to my phone if needed, then I don't have to worry about after lte, etc.

To be fair, I enjoy the internal LTE/5G way more than the screen: with it, I don't have to carry a phone!

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Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Post by D13Fd » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 4:11 AM UTC

csdvrx wrote: post #79

kamma4434 wrote: post #51

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I used to as well. But the M series just blows away every laptop - every Pc - I’ve ever had in the last 30 years… at some point it is an ideological proposition.

My position is everything but ideological: I will consider a Mac as soon as 1) the hardware offers an OLED touchscreen and internal LTE (everything else is secondary, with DDR5 I've even relaxed my requirements for actual ECC) 2) Linux can run as well as it does on my Thinkpad or Surface. Until then, I refuse to use a Mac, because I don't like the OS or the limited hardware choice.

Personally I think those hardware limitations are pretty silly. IMO an OLED screen is irrelevant unless you are gaming or something, and touchscreens on laptops are of pretty limited utility. And an internal LTE model would be an expensive waste if you have an iPhone, because it pairs to your iPhone instantly.

The Linux limitation is totally fair, although kind of irrelevant here (as it doesn't run well on the Qualcomm chips either).

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Post by D13Fd » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 4:13 AM UTC

soulbadguy wrote: post #99

dantaro wrote: post #78

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Hey there, author here, for me personally it's about the windowing and file explorer. I spent 6 months trying to get used to it at a job, and even bought a M1 Macbook Pro last year to try, but I just couldn't find any combination of plugins and programs that made it feel right. I know, it's not a great reason, and I have no hate for anyone who yums my yuck, but at the end of the day it's what stops me from using MacO…

> I know, it's not a great reason I think it's perfectly valid reason. At the end of the day a laptop is a tool, and your experience using the tool trumps any intrisic quality of said tool. I can relate, the main reason i do not use Mac's as personal device ( i have had some issue to me in my professional life) is MacOS. It always existed in a sort of middle ground that doesn't suits my needs : Doesn't have the broad…

Yeah. I don't understand why no one on the Windows side can fully catch up to Apple laptop hardware.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Post by sspiff » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 6:09 AM UTC

wyldfire wrote: post #97

sspiff wrote: post #53

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When I last checked, the mainline kernel support for the 8cx was EXTREMELY limited. Having messed around with lots of ARM based devices on Linux in the past, I would not bother with this one. Especially given that rather unimpressive battery life. I'd love a modern ARM based Linux laptop, but I also know that unless it's got mainline kernel support or a dedicated Linux friendly vendor (like Pine) behind it, it's life…

> When I last checked, the mainline kernel support for the 8cx was EXTREMELY limited. Is that the case? I would've thought the devices present in 8cx are similar to the other Snapdragon 8 series which would probably be well supported upstream? Or do they linger in a GKI tree before landing upstream? Maybe the exclusivity between QCOM/MS is mutual and they'll be able to partner with vendors like Canonical in the futur…

Some 8xx series are well supported, but mostly 835 and 845. QC does release better quality sources for mainlining AFAIK, but I haven't seen any efforts related to newer chips land.