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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by meroes »

lend000 wrote: post #139

All the people here claiming new types of drones and secret programs dating back decades have clearly never worked in defense. Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead. The best engineers and scientists have taken Silicon Valley jobs payin…

Decades behind in ad networks and social graphs but miles ahead in their core competencies maybe?

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by ellisv »

nickelcitymario wrote: post #121

While I understand and appreciate the aspects of the bill that offers protection for whistleblowers, I don't understand cutting all funding for reversing such technology. If it exists, don't we want to understand it ASAP? Regardless of whether it's alien in origin or not, why in the world wouldn't we want to study potentially advanced technology?

> I don't understand cutting all funding for reversing such technology.

As I understand it, only "secret, unreported programs" would lose funding.

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Post by anigbrowl »

nickelcitymario wrote: post #121

While I understand and appreciate the aspects of the bill that offers protection for whistleblowers, I don't understand cutting all funding for reversing such technology. If it exists, don't we want to understand it ASAP? Regardless of whether it's alien in origin or not, why in the world wouldn't we want to study potentially advanced technology?

It sounds like a dramatic step without necessarily having any real impact. If as I suspect these UFO claims are largely BS, then it's an easy way to impress the disturbingly large sector of the public that lives in a conspiratorial fantasy land.

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Post by throwaway743 »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #127
nickelcitymario wrote: post #121

While I understand and appreciate the aspects of the bill that offers protection for whistleblowers, I don't understand cutting all funding for reversing such technology. If it exists, don't we want to understand it ASAP? Regardless of whether it's alien in origin or not, why in the world wouldn't we want to study potentially advanced technology?

I would assume the issue would be that a government agency is reversing UFO tech and congress doesn't know about it, not just that it's being done. A government agency going rogue in such a manner would be a big concern

The claims are not that it's so much a rogue gov agency, but that it's buried by contractors who aren't tied to the requirements agencies have.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by rdtsc »

treyfitty wrote: post #147
lend000 wrote: post #139

All the people here claiming new types of drones and secret programs dating back decades have clearly never worked in defense. Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead. The best engineers and scientists have taken Silicon Valley jobs payin…

That “government employee doesn’t get paid enough to attract talent” trope has to die. I work with many government employees that are not beholden to the government pay scales and get special exemptions to be compensated “at market rates.” You’d be surprised how many tech employees inside government clear $750k

They typical pattern is they work for one of the government contractors L3 (now L3Harris), Northrop Grumman, etc. Of course it's a revolving door as well.

> You’d be surprised how many tech employees inside government clear $750k

That does sound a little high. But it seems you have more recent info than I do.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

lend000 wrote: post #139

All the people here claiming new types of drones and secret programs dating back decades have clearly never worked in defense. Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead. The best engineers and scientists have taken Silicon Valley jobs payin…

Ehh, what's the SV state of the art in low-observability, or railguns, or high-precision fuzing? I'm thinking "not very much".

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by Gud »

shipman05 wrote: post #131
Gud wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the countless credible eye witnesses? Not everyone who claims they have witnessed a UFO is a kook...

"credible eye witnesses" This is a contradiction. Not that eye witness testimonies are completely without merit, but "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and eye-witness testimony alone does not meet that standard....no matter who the witness is.

I am not saying we know for a fact that extra terrestrials have landed on planet earth. I agree with you, there is still not enough evidence.

However I am tired of reading so called skeptics dismissing people who come forward claiming they have seen UFOs as kooks or drunkards.

There is enough evidence by now that in my opinion it is within the realm of possibility that we are being visited by alien intelligence.

Video recordings that can't be explained, radar observations etc. Please also realize that most of what has been recorded so far is classified as top secret, according to testimony from people with direct access to this evidence and like I said in my parent comment, we also have plenty of credible eye witness reports.

It's sad that people aren't more curious - not everything is about distracting from Donald Trumps misadventures with classified documents...

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Post by newt_slowly »

gregw134 wrote: post #109

These "UFOs" are in my opinion probably new type of drone. Video of "UFO" over Poland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WZN0T_54xY Pentagon video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Wmap12xm0 Picture of crashed orb in Mexico: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmm7a/mysterious-metallic-o... My theory is that these spheres are spinning and move using the Magnus effect (the effect that causes a spinning soccer ball to cur…

"Almost certainly"?

We all have our hypotheses, and by all means promote yours, but do you really feel you have enough evidence to assign such a high confidence to yours? How do you reconcile it with statements like the following, made by the former director of National Intelligence?

"There are a lot more sightings than have been made public. Some of those have been declassified. And when we talk about sightings, we are talking about objects that have seen by Navy or Air Force pilots, or have been picked up by satellite imagery that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain. Movements that are hard to replicate that we don’t have the technology for. Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom."

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Post by TechBro8615 »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #60
Simulacra wrote: post #6

What I find most fascinating about aliens and UFOs is that they always seem to be heading for America. If a UFO arrived from another galaxy it might choose any place to land, but talk is always America-centric. Do other countries feel so UFO special?

Assuming this isn’t just a big psyop trying to scare US adversaries, and that UFO’s are real… the US was the first to detonate nukes in 1945, and on its own territory, which might explain some of it. Maybe the UFO’s were investigating how scientifically and technologically advanced humanity was becoming, and naturally focused on nuclear tech as a leading indicator. The 1936 Berlin Olympics TV broadcast might also hav…

The date that nukes were invented is also roughly the date when the intelligence community captured the military industrial complex and started running psychological warfare campaigns against american citizens...

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by lend000 »

meroes wrote: post #161
lend000 wrote: post #139

All the people here claiming new types of drones and secret programs dating back decades have clearly never worked in defense. Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead. The best engineers and scientists have taken Silicon Valley jobs payin…

Decades behind in ad networks and social graphs but miles ahead in their core competencies maybe?

Not if cybersecurity is supposed to be one of their core competencies.
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