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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by shipman05 »

Gud wrote: post #113
ender341341 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

probably a good number of drunks/kooks and then probably a handful of unknown phenomena that would have a reasonable explanation if we had better photos/descriptions. *edit: I don't mean to imply that anyone claiming to have seen something they couldn't identify in the sky is a kook/drunk, I do strongly believe that there are credible observations of unknown flying objects, just that they are unlikely to be alien in…

What about the countless credible eye witnesses? Not everyone who claims they have witnessed a UFO is a kook...

"credible eye witnesses"

This is a contradiction. Not that eye witness testimonies are completely without merit, but "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and eye-witness testimony alone does not meet that standard....no matter who the witness is.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by JPLeRouzic »

haswell wrote: post #85
LatteLazy wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't the government just announce that the new tech was created in any of 1000 labs? I am sure there is a scientist somewhere willing to take credit can get a nobel prize. Or just say it was discovered by Darpa, don't ask questions but here is how it works?

This was my first thought as well, and I think there are a number of possible reasons: - The tech is so far beyond our own that it would be unreasonable to claim it was developed in secret labs within plausible timeframes - They know it exists, but don’t know how it works, and there are growing concerns about adversaries beating us to that understanding - They believe adversaries have already figured things out or ha…

> "They believe adversaries have already figured things out or have surpassed our progress, and there is growing urgency to drum up public support for another space race type of research project"

I would vote for this one, but this hypothesis doesn't need the ET part.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by ancientworldnow »

bsaul wrote: post #130

This whole narrative on UFO coming from US Gov at the exact same moment the fear around covid has faded is so suspicious.. It's really really hard not to see it as a pathetic attempt at keeping the population in a state of mass hysteria. (yes i know this sound completely paranoïd, but i have absolutely no other idea why they would do that)

These inquiries predate covid (UAPTF started in 2017).

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by weego »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #122
gregw134 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The videos show the spheres moving quickly, often back and forth. Pilots have reported spheres hovering stationary over a spot during hurricane level winds. From all the reports it sounds like there is some kind of propulsion mechanism.

Wind?

Do you have any sources explaining this so called 'wind'?

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by Sunspark »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #127
nickelcitymario wrote: post #121

While I understand and appreciate the aspects of the bill that offers protection for whistleblowers, I don't understand cutting all funding for reversing such technology. If it exists, don't we want to understand it ASAP? Regardless of whether it's alien in origin or not, why in the world wouldn't we want to study potentially advanced technology?

I would assume the issue would be that a government agency is reversing UFO tech and congress doesn't know about it, not just that it's being done. A government agency going rogue in such a manner would be a big concern

Agreed. Many implications. If technology is reverse-engineered in secret while government funded and then patented to a private corporation, is this not theft from the people if they try to sell it for profit? Security threats are a concern as well, civilians are not allowed to possess weaponry more powerful than what the military has, etc.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by ancientworldnow »

slashdev wrote: post #32
DrThunder wrote: post #9

If you believe the government is capable of covering this up for decades then you must also believe they're just as capable of lying about UFO's existing for some other reason. I heard some guy saying they were actually demons, which I found quite funny/entertaining. Supposedly these aliens smell like sulfur badly. Maybe aliens/demons are the same thing? I guess we're gonna need the Doom Slayer.

Honestly I don’t think the government is sufficiently competent to cover up something as big as intelligent aliens arriving on earth. That’s the most exciting news ever. There’s just no way in my mind they could keep that quiet successfully.

Well people have been leaking claims for decades (since roswell) so perhaps they haven't kept it secret but it didn't matter because no one believed it anyway.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by srge »

narrator wrote: post #123

This is a good thread to catalog red herring techniques. * The government has previously used X to divert attention therefore there is no X. * The person saying X is an accomplice of X and cannot be trusted. * Demanding the answer to the question about X is dangerous because national security. * X is a distraction from something bad Trump did. * X is a distraction from something bad Biden did. * X is a distraction fr…

- it was swamp gas

- it was a reflection in the windshield

- I debunked it from seeing this YouTube video because those Air Force pilots and those government whistleblowers definitely don’t know what they are talking about !

I am always surprised by the amount of confidence those « debunkers » radiate when what they mainly do is just express doubt with zero cost to them in terms of reputation or even work.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by eli »

bsaul wrote: post #130

This whole narrative on UFO coming from US Gov at the exact same moment the fear around covid has faded is so suspicious.. It's really really hard not to see it as a pathetic attempt at keeping the population in a state of mass hysteria. (yes i know this sound completely paranoïd, but i have absolutely no other idea why they would do that)

Sounds more nonsensical than anything. Why would "they" want to do this? Who is "they"?

Marco Rubio is talking about UFOs now, but he played down covid and was against lockdowns and masking.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by lend000 »

All the people here claiming new types of drones and secret programs dating back decades have clearly never worked in defense. Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead. The best engineers and scientists have taken Silicon Valley jobs paying 5-10x more since the late 90's.

And why are we acting like this is a new phenomenon? It's been going on since at least the 1940's, when there should be little doubt that we didn't have technology to explain it.

While I've never seen anything personally, and my anecdote is meaningless to others, I have a family story dating back to ~1969-1970 that either means a bunch of sane family members are completely nuts, or that (in their case, a classic silver "flying saucer") are real, prevalent, and not things that can be prosaically explained.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by ancientworldnow »

nimbius wrote: post #51

So to temper expectations, the article only cites Republican Marco Rubio has having any real inquisitive drive to unearth clandestine UFO knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy Chances are excellent Rubio might be doing this to try and draw attention away from several state supreme court rulings striking down bans on transgender care and drag shows incepted and championed by republicans. If not th…

Senator Gillibrand (D) has been working on this with as much interest and conviction as Rubio for several years now.
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