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US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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Can someone share any relevant experience with this? Best would be if you did it properly under supervision of clinical professional, or if you are a professional here, by any chance. Doesn’t matter if it’s US or not.

Highly recommend MDMA as a personal experience. I did not have PTSD or trauma to work through, but I realized how much I could love other people. It's an experience worth having at least once in your life.

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

The classic Gen X parent “over-medicated child” scapegoat is stimulant medication for ADHD. It needs to be said that the reality for better or worse is that compared to other psych meds the efficacy is pretty damn high, and the entirely justified popular opinion in the ADHD community is that dealing with ADHD without stimulants is often like pushing a rock up a hill.

And, sure, argue that ADHD’s mere categorisation as a ‘bad thing’ is a reflection of society’s expectations of a person. But…so what? I’d love a socialist utopia. This is a big part of the reason I’d never ever move to the US in the first place. But I damn well still take my Vyvanse and don’t look down on anyone else that does so because we are all still cogs, even me as a fairly privileged tech worker.

Stroking your chin and saying “yeah, but we live in a society!” belongs right at the top of the metaphorical food pyramid. If you do it any more than rarely, you’re going to quite rightfully come across as a privileged dick.

This is notwithstanding the wider point that this whole thing is about using MDMA as a short-term therapy aid.

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

Ok but this isn't really true. The country with the most anti-depressant intake is Iceland , the US is around second or third place, yet the other countries in the "top ten" of antidepressant usage per capita are almost all european nations. The USA isn't an outlier, but I guess we really can't escape the "do americans really, really do X?" even when it is trivially easy to verify. The funny thing is that the reason…

Great point. Another thought: prescriptions are often a healthcare provider's sole tool. They can't fix structural societal woes or make you exercise, eat healthy, pursue CBT with a therapist, etc. But taking a daily pill is a reachable stepping stone for many patients.

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Or just do drugs by yourself or with friends and not around some stranger who guides you to state approved answers. Also do mushrooms, not this shit. Only reason they're pushing this brain-melting stuff is because they can make a buck.

'actually drugs are good now. Just give us your credit card and insurance info and step right this way'. Fuck off. Do drugs in the woods and sort your shit out like we've been doing for thousands of years. Get out of here nerd.

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Take it from someone that's not from US - your comment is ignorant and toxic. In US mental conditions are undertreated, while outside of US they are underdiagnosed and self medicated. I'm from Lithuania, one of the "leaders" in suicide... which are easily preventable by normalizing mental healthcare. The stigmatization of mental conditions in Europe is sky high, to the point that it's barely possible to be seen as sa…

> The stigmatization of mental conditions in Europe is sky high, to the point that it's barely possible to be seen as sane if you're just seeing a therapist. I think this is just not true. I've never seen so many people talk openly about seeing a therapist as in the last few years. I'm almost surprised by how mainstream it has become.

This is not true today and is the tail end of an absolutely massive societal shift in the english speaking world driven by the now 25-35 age block who broke the stigma.

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I am fairly skeptical of the claim that banning guns would significantly reduce gun violence. People who commit the most gun violence crimes (criminals) will find a way to get guns regardless of the laws. I live in a country where it's very hard to get weapons legally, yet almost every drug bust in the news also contains a significant amount of confiscated firearms.

The more barriers to entry the less likely someone is to buy a gun on impulse or "just to have." When they're not common on the street it's not needed to carry one for defence either. You say that drugs busts etc. outside the US will often have guns involved. Yes, criminals can still find ways to get them but ordinary people won't be bothered with this. The Netherlands for example has Europe's biggest port in Rotterd…

>The rate of murder is 73 times more than the Netherlands.

No the absolute number is 73x, the rate is like 8x.

Since you've cherry picked a European state, I will now cherry pick the state New Hampshire.

Murder rate New Hampshire: 0.9 / 100k [0] Murder rate Netherlands: ~0.6 / 100k [1]

Also bear in mind the expected murder chance of the average person from the Netherlands dropped into the US is not expected to be anything like the US average murder rate. The US is not nearly as demographically homogenous as the Netherlands and someone with Dutch heritage experiences much closer to Dutch murder rates in the US.

[0] https://247wallst.com/state/how-the-murder-rate-in-new-hamps...

[1] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?location...

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Someone has been spending a little too much time on Reddit

Oh please. Survey 100 random non-US residents and I’ll eat my hat if the majorly don’t say that US gun policy is absurd. The typical American argument is that the US is exceptional and that the views of “these damn foreigners” don’t matter. I on the other hand seldom hear Americans actively argue that US gun policy is looked upon favourably by the worldwide community. This is exactly what you’re doing by implying tha…

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

My views have changed about this a lot over the years. I've gone from feeling that medication is largely unnecessary and that there are alternative routes to feeling that carefully directed medications can and often should be used along with alternative therapies, when applicable. Just throwing medication at a problem and calling it a day will never be useful, but seeing a lot of people find success with a mix of med…

It's important to keep in mind that while the combination of drugs+psychotherapy works better than either alone on average across a population, this doesn't mean that everyone should be pursuing both. Some people do not respond (or even respond negatively) to psychotherapy, just like with drug therapy. Psychotherapy as an industry also has some pretty serious problems with professional and scientific standards that tend to get swept under the rug because so many people lean into psychotherapy triumphalism (e.g. declaring that drugs are only good for enabling psychotherapy, or that everyone should be seeing a therapist).

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I am fairly skeptical of the claim that banning guns would significantly reduce gun violence. People who commit the most gun violence crimes (criminals) will find a way to get guns regardless of the laws. I live in a country where it's very hard to get weapons legally, yet almost every drug bust in the news also contains a significant amount of confiscated firearms.

This past week in the US there have been several stories about people who were shot after ringing a doorbell or pulling into someone's driveway. Reducing the number of guns means that these people would not be able to enact this type of senseless violence. It would also certainly cut down on the numbers of toddlers shooting their siblings.

The notion that taking away legal guns from legal gun owners will somehow reduce illegal violence is about as absurd as outlawing drugs. People who want to do illegal drugs have had zero problems acquiring them, despite near infinite resources plowed into stopping them by governments at all levels.

Most people gleefully chant "The war on drugs has failed"...yet, "The war on guns" will somehow succeed?

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Not my experience. You can have someone with cancer openly talk about it, but any psychological issue is treated like it's your own personal fault.

"Europe" is many very different countries.

The US is many different states. If you think California and Kentucky are the same, I invite you to visit.
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