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The day Windows died

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Re: The day Windows died

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Post by superchroma »

magpi3 wrote: post #147
superchroma wrote: post #133

"windows is dead because it has ads in the start menu (that you can turn off), it ships with unwanted apps and doesn't ship with properly free games" Profound, truly. This is of course completely forgetting the era when every prebuilt would ship with crapware, completely omitting the fact that via giveaways on places like GoG and EGS, children have access to more free games in one year than I was bought in my entire…

>This is of course completely forgetting the era when every prebuilt would ship with crapware This was a clean Windows install, not one that came from an OEM. Clean Window installs at least used to be exactly that: they came with nothing but Windows.

Yes, I read the article. The reality is that buying prebuilt was and still is a working-class family experience. It's all we ever did until I grew up and built my own. Today, many kids are given laptops instead of towers. Those are prebuilt too, and they all ship with windows (and junk) installed.

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Post by haunter »

UberFly wrote: post #90

Using LTSC or Enterprise is keeping me on Windows. If those weren't an option for me and my family I'd be gone to Linux. I don't know how anyone uses the "Home" edition. I guess they don't know better.

+1 for LTSC

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by tacker2000 »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #145
nashashmi wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It worked perfectly fine in windows 7. And then it got screwed up in windows 10.

Truly, what has happened here? Windows search was so good circa 7. It is astoundingly awful in 10.

Theyre transmitting every keystroke to their servers, thats whats happened…

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by makeitdouble »

doctor_eval wrote: post #13

Having never lived in a Windows world I had no idea what life was like on the other side. So many times on HN I read about how MacOS is bad for the user, locked down, rubbish etc etc. But if this article is true then Windows 11 is absolutely insane. That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. Not poor documentation. Not first party apps. While those of us who use Apple’s OS fear for the worst, those in Windows ap…

Rediscovered Windows on a new Surface recently (so the pure Microsoft experience...), and yes it's pretty bad out of the box. Not just the ads, but the presets and aren't great either, so you're expected to take a bunch of time to make it sane first.

The general advice I got was to start with a debloating program [0], especially for people new to the platform.

My take is, Windows 11's lows are really low. Having to debloat is one thing, the overall mild bugginess is another (everything kinda only works 99% of the time, that 1% of FU doesn't seem to disappear). Then the arcane science of digging through old layers to resurect past UIs that are still more powerful than the newer ones.

On the other side the highs are way way higher. People stick with all the crap because that's the only path to where they want to go.

[0] https://github.com/builtbybel/BloatyNosy

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by qbasic_forever »

BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #156
qbasic_forever wrote: post #65

Setup your 10 year old with bleeding edge Arch Linux, add a script to automatically update nightly (or even hourly lol), and give them a secondary device like a tablet loaded up with access to arch wiki, every man page, etc. but nothing else. They will be an absolute Linux wizard in months and maybe a core contributor soon after.

I’ve run arch and gentoo for years, i’ll be setting up my kid with a mac unless he expresses extreme interest in the depths of linux. Learning linux trivia is misrepresented as virtuous and there are more useful things to do with your time.

When you're a kid it's precisely the time to learn about and deal with all the minutia. Tell them it's like Minecraft but you're building an operating system instead of a world.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by localghost3000 »

I am sure I will get all kinds of hate for saying this: despite the extra up front cost, apple stuff is a better value.

Lets take device lifetime: I have a 2013 MBP 15 and 2015 MBP 15. I use them for intensive things like music production. Both devices work flawlessly. I also a System 76 Oryx Pro which cost more than any mac I own. The webcam failed 5 months in, several keys don't work anymore, and it gets hotter than the surface of the sun when I ask it to do even moderate workloads. Its also ugly as shit. I don't really use it anymore.

There is also resale value: I've been able to get at least a few hundred bucks for pretty much any apple device I've owned when I've sold it. My Oryx? No one wants that thing. Its gonna end up in a landfill at some point.

In my experience, you pay more up front but you get more for your money in the long run.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by Narishma »

Zurrrrr wrote: post #150
doctor_eval wrote: post #13

Having never lived in a Windows world I had no idea what life was like on the other side. So many times on HN I read about how MacOS is bad for the user, locked down, rubbish etc etc. But if this article is true then Windows 11 is absolutely insane. That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. Not poor documentation. Not first party apps. While those of us who use Apple’s OS fear for the worst, those in Windows ap…

The thing is, those claims about MacOS have been true for some time, while Windows becoming this bad is a relatively recent thing. 10 was the start, and 11 was a huge escalation.

It already started with 8.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by ProjectArcturis »

tester756 wrote: post #17

Windows 11 start menu search is slowest shit i've ever seen I can't stand when I type app name (e.g paint or vs) and it appears but click needs like 5-10 sec to be registered what the hell It worked perfectly fine on Win10 on the same hardware (my OS has been updated recently either automatically or by company). I'd call Windows 11 pretty OK once you tweak one or two things in register settings, maybe the lack of rig…

And 3rd-party apps like Everything are lightning fast, so it's certainly possible to have fast Windows search. I'm genuinely buffaloed as to why MSFT hasn't fixed this obvious flaw in the last 20 years.
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