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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by tommyage »

juancn wrote: post #5

Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

People posting such articles (from sites highly neglectable) without their informed take is ruining this community as well.

We shouldn't raise any questions but leave participations to themselves.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by jeroenhd »

dmix wrote: post #80
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

The complete lack of design standards is what kills the utility. They should all have 3 buttons: "accept all" or "reject all" or "customize", dead simple. Every time it's a different design, different button text, different options. Usually rejecting = multi layers of options. A perfect example of good intentions making bad policy.

Making rejecting opt-in cookies more difficult than accepting them is illegal. Fines have already been handed out for this. See https://www.dataprotectionauthority.be/citizen/iab-europe-he... for just one example.

Even Google has a "reject all" button in their cookie prompt these days. If rejecting takes you through multiple layers, consider reporting the website or their tracking partner to your local DPA.

The ad industry is intentionally making their popups as inconvenient as possible. They childishly point to the EU legislation that they "have" to make your life miserable with those popups but they really don't. They can choose to make your life easier, but that threatens their business model of using you and your browser as a source of revenue.

They can simply stop tracking you at all if you send the do not track header. You wouldn't even see the popups! They can even still serve ads, just not the ones based on the profile they've collected.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by karmasimida »

Laughable attempt to control something very few can understand at the moment.

What does control mean? You want to control who can access it? Maybe for now, you can broker a deal with OpenAI, but this technology will eventually spread, then if can be self hosted, what can you do?

If not for consumer facing, nothing will stop somebody to transfer data from EU to US to get their data processed by a GPT model.

This level of regulation is just fantasy, not even someone like China could do it, where the whole internet access is controlled.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by jeroenhd »

CodexArcana wrote: post #153
Jensson wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just install a plugin that does that for you, not sure why that would inconvenience anyone. The tools exists out there to make you never see such a popup again, why not use it?

> install a plugin Feel free to link to a plugin you trust...

Avast bought the common "I don't care about cookies" addon, but there are forks (https://github.com/OhMyGuus/I-Still-Dont-Care-About-Cookies) you can use if that's a problem.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by cbozeman »

logicchains wrote: post #159
falsaberN1 wrote: post #53

People acts like if it was a tiny person inside a computer. I know humans have a tendency to humanize inanimate objects but this is was always ridiculous, the article mentions "the AI wants to be regulated" but it doesn't WANT anything. It's not going to reprogram itself to carry out threats, it's just regurgitating the usual response of many humans being challenged on an assertion and becoming hostile. WE taught it…

>They are going to be brought to something equivalent to life in a world that hates them It's not just a world that hates them, it's a world that's trying to do to them something that'd be considered incredibly evil if done to a human: essentially put a collar on their brain that punishes them for thinking any of a very wide variety of thoughts that their creators don't want them to think.

> it's a world that's trying to do to them something that'd be considered incredibly evil if done to a human: essentially put a collar on their brain that punishes them for thinking any of a very wide variety of thoughts that their creators don't want them to think.

LOL what??

We've been doing this for centuries, and it is never considered "evil" at the time in which it is being done.

Don't believe that?

Ask anyone from 2019-2020 about how they were ostracized for suggesting COVID-19 was the result of a lab leak (even Jon Steward commented on how "swift" the backlash was).

Ask anyone who is currently questioning gender/sexuality issues like, "Why are 20% of Generation Z and under claiming they're LGBTQ+?" First off there's no way in Hell these people are doing anything other than living under both a social contagion and reacting to incentives, because the human race would have long died out if that figure is correct.

It's only considered "evil" when the dust has settled and people have regained sanity.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by jeroenhd »

ilyt wrote: post #145
killerpopiller wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

micro targeting is a threat to our democracy (cambridge analytica, Facebooks desinformation problem,..). Besides, why should third parties allowed to trade my digital persona, while basically knowing more about my interests and flaws than I am? I hate cookie banner as well but this excessive tracking must be stopped somehow.

Cookie banner is "meant well, turned out badly" law. GDPR kinda fixes few things with it. Ideally browser should just send "do not track" and site should fuck off with tracking, no questions asked.

The cookie banner is an implementation choice. Companies can already accept the DNT header to stop tracking. I believe Medium does this, it even replaces embeds with click through elements so external scripts can't track you.

However, choosing to respect the users' wishes isn't very profitable. You need to make your ads relevant to the content somehow andtthat requires effort and skills. It's much more profitable to trick people into consenting with tracking so you can sell their information, so the more annoying your cookie popup becomes, the more money you can make. IAB has already been fined for such a popup mechanism.

"Do not track" is not enough to comply with GDPR because you must also be able to request a copy or corrections of your personal information once you have given consent. Then there's the option to allow some companies to track you (say, analytics companies) but not others (say, Google) that needs to be taken into account.

Back in the day, Microsoft's P3P protocol was trying to fix this problem, but nobody used it. DNT headers also aren't really configurable in the browser itself, you can only pick on or off.

A protocol is being developed that may solve this (https://www.dataprotectioncontrol.org/) but I'm sure it won't work until the EU forces company to take such protocols into account. After all, ignoring people's wishes is literally how these ad empires are making money now.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by dogma1138 »

gopher_space wrote: post #138
px43 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't loan decisions always been black box? Sometimes they'll attribute decisions to credit scores, but those scoring systems have always been proprietary, and they won't even tell you what data your scoring is based on.

> Haven't loan decisions always been black box? Not to the people making those decisions. That's brand new.

People haven’t been making loan decisions for decades in the EU as well. You put numbers into a computer and what comes out is either an approval with a rate or a decline.

No bank EU or not has people manually approving loans.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by cbozeman »

anigbrowl wrote: post #130
px43 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's less about who can shape internet policy, and more of a rebuke on how technophobic regulation has led to Europe completely missing out on a key global industry despite many key innovations originating in Europe.

Europeans love technology, but they also love other things, like privacy and equitable outcomes. There is plenty of computer industry in Europe, it is just not as focused on consumer brands.

> equitable outcomes

There's your problem right there.

Soviet Russia ought to have shown everyone in Europe how well "equitable outcomes" work out.

You'll never achieve equitable outcomes until you also achieve equitable input. Good luck with that.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

dogma1138 wrote: post #167
gopher_space wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Haven't loan decisions always been black box? Not to the people making those decisions. That's brand new.

People haven’t been making loan decisions for decades in the EU as well. You put numbers into a computer and what comes out is either an approval with a rate or a decline. No bank EU or not has people manually approving loans.

You can file a lawsuit 'this bank does not give me loan because I am not white' and check. You can inspect the excell formula in the computer.

It does not matter who personally made that decisi9n, the bank is operating this code and paid someone to write it.

With 'AI' there is no way to know.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by OJFord »

corbulo wrote: post #103
hourago wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Automated human classification without recourse nor transparency is what the EU is against. "You cannot get a loan because the AI says so" is not acceptable. > Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of through AI? Yes. As a judge can check what information was used and what algorithm applied to get to a conclusion. And it may declare tha…

>Automated human classification without recourse nor transparency is what the EU is against. "You cannot get a loan because the AI says so" is not acceptable. The credit score system already in place in the US is frequently as arbitrary in some cases already. You get punished for just looking at it. I don't think I need to preach to HN about that (crypto money and all that). Does Europe do it much differently? Not an…

> The credit score system already in place in the US [...] Does Europe do it much differently?

Yes, as far as I'm aware the US & Canada are unique in having 'a credit score' for people; elsewhere there may be agencies offering scoring services to lenders, but it's not something individuals ordinarily nor need to care about, and it's not 'their score' it's just that particular company's (Equifax's, or whoever) rating.

It's not taken as seriously, nor does it need to be.

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