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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by lillecarl »

TekMol wrote: post #31

Are there any internationally relevant internet companies in Europe? Spotify comes to mind. Then .. I can't think of anything. No search engine. No browser. No operating system. No social network. No ecommerce company. No cloud computing platform. No financial services company. No transportation company. No travel company. No nothing. Except for a $20B music aggregator, there is not a single sector of the web where E…

There are heaps, they're just not as big. We don't celebrate monopolies the same way you do, we don't celebrate exploiting people either.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by [deleted] »

int_19h wrote: post #108
ip26 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about harmful tools with no practical uses to the general public? Mortars, tanks, ketamine, ICBM GPS units… You’re taking an absolutist position, so I’d like to explore it.

FWIW mortars and tanks are legal for the general public to own in US, although it does involve a bunch of forms and tax stamps if they're operable. It doesn't seem to be a problem in practice, though - at least, I've never heard of a legally owned tank or mortar being used for criminal or other harmful purposes.

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by CodexArcana »

Jensson wrote: post #46
kybernetyk wrote: post #10

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Yeah, I feel like I'm defending democracy and freedom whenever I click on the "Accept All" button. Not all heroes wear capes!

Just install a plugin that does that for you, not sure why that would inconvenience anyone. The tools exists out there to make you never see such a popup again, why not use it?

> install a plugin

Feel free to link to a plugin you trust...

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by pornel »

user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

Thank Google and other adtech for lobbying and fighting to keep tracking legal.

The popups are malicious compliance. They want you to hate the popups, so that you will turn against privacy laws, and fully submit to the unimpeded surveillance business.

And it’s working: people are installing “I don’t care about cookies” extension that agrees to data collection, deanonimization, profiling, and sale of this data.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by layer8 »

luckylion wrote: post #24
killerpopiller wrote: post #6

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micro targeting is a threat to our democracy (cambridge analytica, Facebooks desinformation problem,..). Besides, why should third parties allowed to trade my digital persona, while basically knowing more about my interests and flaws than I am? I hate cookie banner as well but this excessive tracking must be stopped somehow.

Why couldn't that have happened in the browser though? We have plenty of mechanisms to block and/or delete cookies. Essentially, now we're at a state where consent banners exist, slowing down all sites, and there are like four states: a) they look compliant, but are ignored by the website provider (the EU itself takes this approach), b) they are flat out ignored (a lot of companies still take this approach) c) they a…

> Why couldn't that have happened in the browser though?

That would require more regulation, by regulating both browsers and websites, and their technical protocol. Instead the EU tried to minimize regulation by not prescribing the exact technical means by which websites would need to obtain consent for tracking from users.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by int_19h »

anigbrowl wrote: post #150
int_19h wrote: post #125

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I think the point is that EU's attempt to shape internet policy is not going to get far if most companies with whom the consumers actually interact are not from EU. "Should" doesn't enter into it.

Every business has a website. GDPR compliance, albeit nominal, seems widespread, or there wouldn't be so many complaints about acknowledging cookies.

And those websites that are designed for EU users will have EU rules applied. It's just that it'll remain trivial to go to the other website which does not have that, and people will do this as long as that other website feels more useful to them, for whatever reason.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by jeroenhd »

lillecarl wrote: post #128
anothernewdude wrote: post #119

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No, it's always required.

I've never seen one on this site, and yet I'm logged in writing this comment. Is HN breaking the law?

Last time I checked, HN doesn't use tracking cookies and other such nonsense. All I see are session cookies to track my login. That doesn't require any form of popup.

HN being an American company probably violates some section of the GDPR (not having someone labeled as the privacy officer or some other technicality) but I doubt anyone cares. If you feel your privacy is getting violated, you can try contacting your local DPA.

In terms of cookies and data processing, I don't think HN is breaking the law anywhere, unless the privacy policy is full of lies and dang is secretly selling our personal info on the site (he isn't).

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by logicchains »

falsaberN1 wrote: post #53

People acts like if it was a tiny person inside a computer. I know humans have a tendency to humanize inanimate objects but this is was always ridiculous, the article mentions "the AI wants to be regulated" but it doesn't WANT anything. It's not going to reprogram itself to carry out threats, it's just regurgitating the usual response of many humans being challenged on an assertion and becoming hostile. WE taught it…

>They are going to be brought to something equivalent to life in a world that hates them

It's not just a world that hates them, it's a world that's trying to do to them something that'd be considered incredibly evil if done to a human: essentially put a collar on their brain that punishes them for thinking any of a very wide variety of thoughts that their creators don't want them to think.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by neural_thing »

ip26 wrote: post #44
M4v3R wrote: post #32

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Yeah I would consider pet owners and people with depression (so groups of people that benefit from this specific tool) a part of general public, both are fairly large groups.

And ketamine is employed by trained professionals appropriately in veterinary hospitals and psychotherapy contexts. The public does not need unregulated access to ketamine for this to happen.

Computers are employed by trained professionals appropriately in military contexts. The public does not need access to computers for this to happen.
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