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AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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the Linux test leaves me quiet confused how to pick my next linux gaming cpu. On the one hand side Gamers Nexus is making a point [0] (there are on/off performance charts later in the video) why it is super important to install the latest windows drivers + special windows gaming software to make use of the heterogeneous architecture. On the other hand side the linux tests are much better then I would expected since i…

Keep the one you have now and pick a better GPU?

in like 2 weeks it will be the 10th anniversary of the PC. The GPU is a nvidia GTX(?) 1060 aka already oversized for the 3. Gen i7 setup, so: nope :D

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Related and also interesting: Ryzen 7950X3D with One CCD Disabled - The 7800X3D Preview https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ryzen-7800x3d-performance...

The one caveat here is that actual 7800X3Ds might not be binned as well as the top end model, so I'd wait for real 7800X3D reviews if you're thinking about pre-ordering one based on this experiment.

Based on tech powerup tests the cores with the v-cache do not clock that high. The advertised 700MHz higher clockrate is for the non v-cache cores. I highly doubt AMD would release a part that does not hit the advertised numbers (which on the 7800X3D apply to the v-cache cores as that is all it has)

> A 700 MHz frequency difference may sound like lot first, but as the data in our full Ryzen 9 7950X3D review shows today, the frequencies significantly above 5 GHz are only reachable on the second CCD, the one that does not have the cache, so it can run higher voltages, which lets it achieve those clock speeds.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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I'm not a fan of how they park the slower CCD, since it means that the scheduler will try to force all processes onto the same CCD (regardless of whether it's for the game), instead of offloading the non-game workloads onto the other CCD. This is an issue if you run background tasks (such as streaming) or have multiple monitors setup for other things like browser etc.

I think I already have similar troubles with that about Radeon gpu. Their driver (or window11 itself) directs all GPU resource into the foreground app aggressively and basically stop the background app from using it. But I am trying to recording the game using obs. This basically make obs unusable if the gpu is near 100% usage. And sometimes it went even wrong, It decides to direct all gpu resource to the browser on my second screen, and I got 30fps on the game. I usually need a reboot to make it work correctly again.

I'd like them just add a toggle to let me select who use the gpu first or evenly instead. And their guesses never went right.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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the Linux test leaves me quiet confused how to pick my next linux gaming cpu. On the one hand side Gamers Nexus is making a point [0] (there are on/off performance charts later in the video) why it is super important to install the latest windows drivers + special windows gaming software to make use of the heterogeneous architecture. On the other hand side the linux tests are much better then I would expected since i…

It's not quite the same out of the box experience (after making sure you have the latest chipset drivers, use the balanced power plan and NOT the performance plan, and have Xbox Game Bar..), but it's possible to force certain processes and executables to run on specific CPU cores in Linux using taskset and verify that they're running on the correct cores. It will be a little tedious if you play a lot of games on Stea…

good point, so a low budget solution that whitelist games for specific cores shouldn't be to hard to assemble

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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So they can sell us a 7990X3D 6 months down the line for $1000

Does AMD have a history of this blatant of a move? That would be an Nvidia level of arrogance.

In this case it more depends on what Intel does. If Intel somehow beats this before Zen 5 is ready I don't see why not. AMD has these all cores with v-cache parts available on its EPYC lineup so it is technically possible. (not yet with Zen 4 but Zen 3 parts do exist)

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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I wish they'd included the results of the undervolted 7950x in the graphs (aka ECO mode) It's sad that performance benchmarks have made market conditions where the gain of 5% performance is somehow worth 20%-30% extra power consumption (and the noise that follows from that)

I just disable PBO on my 3900X - you are 100% correct that an extra 5% performance is not worth the extra 30% power draw/heat.

PBO also allows undervolting though: I just applied -30 all core offset on my 5950X.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Can I have a mode where some of that 128M is never flushed to RAM? For example, I'd quite like my disk encryption key to never end up in RAM - it's much harder to steal from inside a running CPU...

AMD has a cpu extension (something called SME) that make vm ram data never appears as cleartext in actual ram. It is done by encrypt the ram data before going out from cpu using a key that is only available to cpu itself. But I remembered that it is a ryzen pro only feature.
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